Re: Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000
On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 at 10:47:48 -0500, Roger Breton <graxx@videotron.ca> wrote:
I'm longer able to unclog my Epson 4900, I see very faint nozzles lines in LLK/Y/VLM/LC but I'm not sure how to go about further unclogging the heads.
Roger, I’m in the same boat, and will likely throw this 4900 anchor overboard. Incredibly frustrating. It was nice having the same ink set as my 9900, but far too much time, ink and media needed to keep it operational. I have also given up on clearing the nozzles. I will think long and hard before buying another Epson. Also interested in alternatives. —Rich
On Mar 4, 2018, at 1:18 PM, Rich Wagner <Rich@WildNaturePhotos.com <mailto:Rich@WildNaturePhotos.com>> wrote:
I’m in the same boat, and will likely throw this 4900 anchor overboard.
Me too. IF I didn't print with the unit nearly every day, it would clog. But if I did print nearly everyday, it was pretty good but not like my 3880 or P800 which rarely if ever clogs even if left unused for months. So I setup an AppleScript through Calendar to automatically print a tiny image, postage stamp size on the roll and that helped tremendously. There's also a Mac utility called InkJet Plumber that will do this for you: https://github.com/jt70471/InkjetPlumber/releases <https://github.com/jt70471/InkjetPlumber/releases> Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/ <http://www.digitaldog.net/>
Does the P5000 fix this problem that the 4900 had/has? ________________________________ Steven Kornreich steve@kuau.com http://www.kuau.com From: Andrew Rodney Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:32 PM To: 'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List Subject: Re: Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-1000 On Mar 4, 2018, at 1:18 PM, Rich Wagner <Rich@WildNaturePhotos.com <mailto:Rich@WildNaturePhotos.com>> wrote:
I’m in the same boat, and will likely throw this 4900 anchor overboard.
Me too. IF I didn't print with the unit nearly every day, it would clog. But if I did print nearly everyday, it was pretty good but not like my 3880 or P800 which rarely if ever clogs even if left unused for months. So I setup an AppleScript through Calendar to automatically print a tiny image, postage stamp size on the roll and that helped tremendously. There's also a Mac utility called InkJet Plumber that will do this for you: https://github.com/jt70471/InkjetPlumber/releases <https://github.com/jt70471/InkjetPlumber/releases> Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/ <http://www.digitaldog.net/> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. colorsync-users mailing list (colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/steve%40kuau.com This email sent to steve@kuau.com
On Mar 4, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Steven Kornreich <steve@kuau.com <mailto:steve@kuau.com>> wrote:
Does the P5000 fix this problem that the 4900 had/has?
My understanding is it does but I have no direct experience so take that with a grain of salt. My understanding is, the 4900's clogging issue was mechanical to the degree that Epson could (did?) fix it. Andrew Rodney http://www.digitaldog.net/ <http://www.digitaldog.net/>
On 4 Mar 2018, at 20:32, Andrew Rodney <andrew@digitaldog.net> wrote:
Me too. IF I didn't print with the unit nearly every day, it would clog. But if I did print nearly everyday, it was pretty good but not like my 3880 or P800 which rarely if ever clogs even if left unused for months. So I setup an AppleScript through Calendar to automatically print a tiny image, postage stamp size on the roll and that helped tremendously.
That’s the answer — keep them printing :) Power them on and hammer them 24/7 for 3 years and then switch them off and replace them. Never go wrong [touches wood]. -- Martin Orpen Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
If nozzles are bad at 720 try 1440... -- Dan Bergstrom | Color Technology and Quality | PRIMARY COLOR ORANGE COUNTY http://www.primarycolor.com | T 949 660 7080 C 949 616 4986
On Mar 4, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Rich Wagner <Rich@WildNaturePhotos.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 at 10:47:48 -0500, Roger Breton <graxx@videotron.ca> wrote:
I'm longer able to unclog my Epson 4900, I see very faint nozzles lines in LLK/Y/VLM/LC but I'm not sure how to go about further unclogging the heads.
Roger,
I’m in the same boat, and will likely throw this 4900 anchor overboard. Incredibly frustrating. It was nice having the same ink set as my 9900, but far too much time, ink and media needed to keep it operational. I have also given up on clearing the nozzles. I will think long and hard before buying another Epson. Also interested in alternatives.
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I walked the walk of Pain along with you. My 4900 delivered excellent prints but was ridiculous with its lack of reliability. I suffered through a variety of measures and pure waste of time simply getting the thing to print well when going unused for periods of time. Epson never came clean with the market regarding their faux pas with this model because they didn’t have to….limited competition and a shrinking market will do that. I held my nose after consigning my 4900 to the trash bin and purchased a P800 over 18 months ago. Very pleased with the usability and print quality. I had considered a newer Canon after having a great run with a Canon IPF5100 a generation ago but decided against it primarily due third party software support. I started using Imageprint several years ago and came to appreciate it for better print quality and color management predictability given Apple/Epson/Adobe constantly messing with subtle changes that disrupt color management. Today, I am very pleased with the P800/Imageprint combination. The prints are equal to my 4900 prints (which as a concern given the ink channel differences between the two models) and the reliability and ease is much higher. I hope this helps someone coping with Epson 4900 “issues”… Regards, George Pappas
On Mar 4, 2018, at 12:18 PM, Rich Wagner <Rich@WildNaturePhotos.com> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 at 10:47:48 -0500, Roger Breton <graxx@videotron.ca> wrote:
I'm longer able to unclog my Epson 4900, I see very faint nozzles lines in LLK/Y/VLM/LC but I'm not sure how to go about further unclogging the heads.
Roger,
I’m in the same boat, and will likely throw this 4900 anchor overboard. Incredibly frustrating. It was nice having the same ink set as my 9900, but far too much time, ink and media needed to keep it operational. I have also given up on clearing the nozzles. I will think long and hard before buying another Epson. Also interested in alternatives.
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I agree 100% with George on this. The P800 is very reliable and equiv. for most people’s needs related to color gamut, etc, and so far has not dropped nozzles like the 4900 (I have three that I test.) Who’d have thought that creating a pressurized 17” printer would make it more reliable than a non-pressurized one! /s (but seriously, even the epson 5000 is not pressurized. It’s the same as the 4900 with a dust gasket added.) Best, Walker
On Mar 5, 2018, at 8:49 AM, Pappas George <george@pappasonline.net> wrote:
I walked the walk of Pain along with you. My 4900 delivered excellent prints but was ridiculous with its lack of reliability. I suffered through a variety of measures and pure waste of time simply getting the thing to print well when going unused for periods of time. Epson never came clean with the market regarding their faux pas with this model because they didn’t have to….limited competition and a shrinking market will do that.
I held my nose after consigning my 4900 to the trash bin and purchased a P800 over 18 months ago. Very pleased with the usability and print quality. I had considered a newer Canon after having a great run with a Canon IPF5100 a generation ago but decided against it primarily due third party software support. I started using Imageprint several years ago and came to appreciate it for better print quality and color management predictability given Apple/Epson/Adobe constantly messing with subtle changes that disrupt color management.
Today, I am very pleased with the P800/Imageprint combination. The prints are equal to my 4900 prints (which as a concern given the ink channel differences between the two models) and the reliability and ease is much higher.
I hope this helps someone coping with Epson 4900 “issues”…
Regards, George Pappas
On Mar 4, 2018, at 12:18 PM, Rich Wagner <Rich@WildNaturePhotos.com <mailto:Rich@WildNaturePhotos.com>> wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 at 10:47:48 -0500, Roger Breton <graxx@videotron.ca> wrote:
I'm longer able to unclog my Epson 4900, I see very faint nozzles lines in LLK/Y/VLM/LC but I'm not sure how to go about further unclogging the heads.
Roger,
I’m in the same boat, and will likely throw this 4900 anchor overboard. Incredibly frustrating. It was nice having the same ink set as my 9900, but far too much time, ink and media needed to keep it operational. I have also given up on clearing the nozzles. I will think long and hard before buying another Epson. Also interested in alternatives.
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On Mar 5, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Pappas George <george@pappasonline.net> wrote:
I started using Imageprint several years ago and came to appreciate it for better print quality and color management predictability given Apple/Epson/Adobe constantly messing with subtle changes that disrupt color management.
I gave up on ImagePrint after using for many generations of the software. I started testing IP after I ran into situations where it couldn’t print areas of saturated color. The first instance that got me started was the side of a building that was a deep saturated blue on my Eizo that IP printed as black. As I went back through my prints I found other areas of saturated color that IP couldn’t render on my 3880 that I just overlooked at the time. When I started to compare the 3D gamuts of profiles in ColorThink (IP’s, custom, and canned) I couldn’t believe the difference. The IP gamuts were very limited - tiny, in fact - when compared with either custom or canned profiles for the Epson - even, if I’m remembering correctly, smaller than sRGB or CMYK gamuts I looked at. I’d post a picture of a CT IP gamut, but shortly thereafter I ditched the software and it’s profiles. Tony - Anthony Sanna (608) 206-3134 asanna@ismaldo.com <mailto:asanna@ismaldo.com> www.tonysanna.com
Interesting Tony, I only started using IP with Version 9 and now 10 - flawless printing has been my experience. I’ll have to compare some of the IP profiles with my old ones to see if my measurements jive with yours.. I also have colorthink and value its capabilities. Regards, George
On Mar 5, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Anthony R Sanna <asanna@ismaldo.com> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Pappas George <george@pappasonline.net <mailto:george@pappasonline.net>> wrote:
I started using Imageprint several years ago and came to appreciate it for better print quality and color management predictability given Apple/Epson/Adobe constantly messing with subtle changes that disrupt color management.
I gave up on ImagePrint after using for many generations of the software. I started testing IP after I ran into situations where it couldn’t print areas of saturated color. The first instance that got me started was the side of a building that was a deep saturated blue on my Eizo that IP printed as black. As I went back through my prints I found other areas of saturated color that IP couldn’t render on my 3880 that I just overlooked at the time.
When I started to compare the 3D gamuts of profiles in ColorThink (IP’s, custom, and canned) I couldn’t believe the difference. The IP gamuts were very limited - tiny, in fact - when compared with either custom or canned profiles for the Epson - even, if I’m remembering correctly, smaller than sRGB or CMYK gamuts I looked at. I’d post a picture of a CT IP gamut, but shortly thereafter I ditched the software and it’s profiles.
Tony - Anthony Sanna (608) 206-3134 asanna@ismaldo.com <mailto:asanna@ismaldo.com> www.tonysanna.com <http://www.tonysanna.com/>
On Mar 5, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Anthony R Sanna <asanna@ismaldo.com> wrote:
I gave up on ImagePrint after using for many generations of the software…. When I started to compare the 3D gamuts of profiles in ColorThink (IP’s, custom, and canned) I couldn’t believe the difference.
Yep. ImagePrint was cool technology back when RGB printer drivers sucked. Modern printer drivers rock to the point where some RIPs are using them, post rendering. Scott Martin www.on-sight.com
Yeah, ImagePrint uses Epson driver (they license it) + a non-industry-standard ICC profiling (BPC) technique is my understanding. -Walker
On Mar 5, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Scott Martin <scott@on-sight.com> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Anthony R Sanna <asanna@ismaldo.com> wrote:
I gave up on ImagePrint after using for many generations of the software…. When I started to compare the 3D gamuts of profiles in ColorThink (IP’s, custom, and canned) I couldn’t believe the difference.
Yep. ImagePrint was cool technology back when RGB printer drivers sucked. Modern printer drivers rock to the point where some RIPs are using them, post rendering.
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