As a lurker on this list I have followed this thread with interest. For me, Adobe's move doesn't seem an enticing prospect. To illustrate my apprehension I offer my experience with a cloud based productivity app. I bought into Gridiron's Flow project tracking software which tracked Adobe CS products in particular. It was a bit buggy in its first iteration but it did enough to make itself useful. It was offered on disc or download with license, and updates came along now and then (some including modifications based on my discussions with their support). After a couple of years version 2 was introduced. This represented a fundamental change as although the free core software was installed on my computer the database that served it was in the cloud on the Gridiron servers. An internet connection was needed for the database to function properly. All the really useful functions were now offered as subscription add-ons to the basic app. It worked better than version 2 and I decided, slightly reluctantly, that it was a useful productivity tool that I would buy into again. I was a bit concerned that much information was stored on a remote server beyond my control but thought also that this was the way software was progressing so better get used to it. Two years later it was gone. With little actual explanation the demise of the service was announced and a deadline was set beyond which the whole system, along with all user information would be shut down. The data couldn't be saved because the system was proprietary and version 2 data was incompatible with version 1, so no going back. To say i was p****d off would be an understatement. Would I like a repeat of this scenario - of course not. And yet placing all control of the tools that form the background of your trade into a monthly subscription and cloud based service is precisely what we are being asked to grant. I don't think the more pessimistic posters on this thread are wrong to be concerned or to imagine the worst case scenarios. Squaring up to that worst case seems the most sensible thing in the circumstances. Cheers Pete
On 10 May 2013, at 17:13, Pete MacKenzie <petemackenzie@btinternet.com> wrote:
Would I like a repeat of this scenario - of course not. And yet placing all control of the tools that form the background of your trade into a monthly subscription and cloud based service is precisely what we are being asked to grant. I don't think the more pessimistic posters on this thread are wrong to be concerned or to imagine the worst case scenarios. Squaring up to that worst case seems the most sensible thing in the circumstances.
I'm willing to bet that those who have signed up for Adobe's product have NOT read the T&C's. Mac Performance Guide have and you are being asked to grant a whole lot more than you'd imagine: <http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2013/20130508_1a-Adobe-legal-agreement.html> -- Martin Orpen Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
On May 11, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Martin Orpen <martin@idea-digital.com> wrote:
I'm willing to bet that those who have signed up for Adobe's product have NOT read the T&C's.
Mac Performance Guide have and you are being asked to grant a whole lot more than you'd imagine:
Well, I'll give Adobe some credit. At least they come out and say, even if buried in a hundred pages of legalese, that they explicitly reserve the right to do that which the rest of us have been cautioning they could do (and that Microsoft already did with PlaysForSure): permanently lock you out of your own content for any reason or even no reason, with no notice and no recourse. And that they can charge you whatever they want whenever they want, with your only recourse again being complete and permanent abandonment of even read-only access to everything you've ever created. Indeed, though it's not stated in the T&Cs, attempting to access your own content after the (voluntary or otherwise) expiration of your CC license might even constitute a DMCA violation. What I hadn't realized is that they also explicitly reserve the right to use your own content for their own advertising. That one is going to lead to some interesting headlines down the road, I'm sure. Same deal with appropriation of your_name_here.adobe.com domains. All in all, it reads much more like a mutual assured suicide pact for both Adobe and their CC customers than anything else. Ah, well. 'Twas nice whilst it lasted. Cheers, b&
I'm more of a lurker here than a contributor, but do have a comment about subscription cloud software. About 10 years ago, I used an accounting service offered by Oracle that was offered for $7.95 s month. It worked well, and I used it for a year. After a year, I was notified that effective in 30 days, the price was going to $79 a month, and my options were to continue or not. I ended up having to manually (the export from Oracle did not work) set up the accounting in Quickbooks in order to have a viable system. A time consuming lesson learned. Buyer beware. On 5/11/13 8:56 AM, Ben Goren wrote:
On May 11, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Martin Orpen <martin@idea-digital.com> wrote:
I'm willing to bet that those who have signed up for Adobe's product have NOT read the T&C's.
Mac Performance Guide have and you are being asked to grant a whole lot more than you'd imagine: Well, I'll give Adobe some credit.
At least they come out and say, even if buried in a hundred pages of legalese, that they explicitly reserve the right to do that which the rest of us have been cautioning they could do (and that Microsoft already did with PlaysForSure): permanently lock you out of your own content for any reason or even no reason, with no notice and no recourse. And that they can charge you whatever they want whenever they want, with your only recourse again being complete and permanent abandonment of even read-only access to everything you've ever created. Indeed, though it's not stated in the T&Cs, attempting to access your own content after the (voluntary or otherwise) expiration of your CC license might even constitute a DMCA violation.
What I hadn't realized is that they also explicitly reserve the right to use your own content for their own advertising. That one is going to lead to some interesting headlines down the road, I'm sure. Same deal with appropriation of your_name_here.adobe.com domains.
All in all, it reads much more like a mutual assured suicide pact for both Adobe and their CC customers than anything else.
Ah, well. 'Twas nice whilst it lasted.
Cheers,
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Personally, it's only a matter of time before I sign up for Creative Cloud. I'm waiting for the next release to do so. It's not like I don't need Adobe software professionally... Best / Roger -- I'm willing to bet that those who have signed up for Adobe's product have NOT read the T&C's. Mac Performance Guide have and you are being asked to grant a whole lot more than you'd imagine: <http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2013/20130508_1a-Adobe-legal-agreement. html> -- Martin Orpen Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
Aren't we already somewhat dependent upon web authorizations with stand alone versions? Same as with the OS, if the software sniffs any significant alterations on my computer it phones home for approval and will shut down if it doesn't get it. The cloud is just a tighter net and in some ways more forgiving, but we've been dependent on Adobe being a partner in business for a long time already and we use their software with their permission even when we buy it off the shelf. I'm not saying I like it however, but it's not new that we don't stand alone. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Breton Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:00 PM To: ''colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List' Subject: RE: The Creative Gouge Personally, it's only a matter of time before I sign up for Creative Cloud. I'm waiting for the next release to do so. It's not like I don't need Adobe software professionally... Best / Roger -- I'm willing to bet that those who have signed up for Adobe's product have NOT read the T&C's. Mac Performance Guide have and you are being asked to grant a whole lot more than you'd imagine: <http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2013/20130508_1a-Adobe-legal-agreement. html> -- Martin Orpen Idea Digital Imaging Ltd _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Colorsync-users mailing list (Colorsync-users@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/colorsync-users/jc%40technicalphoto.... This email sent to jc@technicalphoto.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3336 / Virus Database: 3162/6316 - Release Date: 05/11/13
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