Fwd: Re: i1 Profiler Scanner module, clipping white
Vuescan supports the 10000XL and much more scanner models. Works in 3 OS environments. It allows a RAW DNG export (disguised Tiff) without any influence on the image. Could be a good start for this instead of using the Epson software. Add a whiter patch than the original to the scan, for example a stack of Teflon tape. Any unknown OBA content in the original may still bring its white above that level though, depending on the scanner's light source. RAW profile based on Colorchecker or profiling after the RAW stage Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm July 2016 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Martin Orpen <martin@idea-digital.com> wrote:
On 9 Nov 2016, at 20:44, Barry Rudick <barryr@azphoto.com> wrote:
Anyone experience this?
Yes. But I'd blame the scanner for this, not the profiling software :-)
I tried to tame an Epson 10000XL A3 scanner when we were having problems with our Fuji Lanovia.
The Epson software made it really difficult to lock the scanner settings down — meaning that each scanning session would yield different results for the same chart even when you’d made every effort to keep the settings locked and consistent.
I use custom made charts on the print material we were scanning — mostly Kodak Endura, Fuji Gloss and Fuji Super Gloss — but we’d still get variable results and clipping too.
The profiles were made in Profilemaker as, unlike i1Profiler, you have the flexibility to create your own custom chart designs.
I reckoned that the variation was due to slackness in the Epson’s internal pre-scan white point calibration?
So, providing the scan you used to create the profile didn’t clip the white, manually editing the production scans prior to applying the profile to ensure their white doesn’t clip should give you reasonable results.
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Yes, Vuescan (pro) is very capable software. It is one software program that I use with my Epson V750. The biggest problem with it, is that it does not keep your preview in memory. You have to do a new preview every time you open it back up which can be a big time waster if you have more than one neg or transparency in the scanner. Other than that, it is very versatile. DAVID SCHARF PHOTOGRAPHY *DAVID SCHARF PHOTOGRAPHY* Los Angeles, CA 90039 On 11/11/16 12:55 AM, Ernst Dinkla wrote:
Vuescan supports the 10000XL and much more scanner models. Works in 3 OS environments. It allows a RAW DNG export (disguised Tiff) without any influence on the image. Could be a good start for this instead of using the Epson software. Add a whiter patch than the original to the scan, for example a stack of Teflon tape. Any unknown OBA content in the original may still bring its white above that level though, depending on the scanner's light source. RAW profile based on Colorchecker or profiling after the RAW stage
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm July 2016 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Martin Orpen <martin@idea-digital.com> wrote:
On 9 Nov 2016, at 20:44, Barry Rudick <barryr@azphoto.com> wrote:
Anyone experience this?
Yes. But I'd blame the scanner for this, not the profiling software :-)
I tried to tame an Epson 10000XL A3 scanner when we were having problems with our Fuji Lanovia.
The Epson software made it really difficult to lock the scanner settings down — meaning that each scanning session would yield different results for the same chart even when you’d made every effort to keep the settings locked and consistent.
I use custom made charts on the print material we were scanning — mostly Kodak Endura, Fuji Gloss and Fuji Super Gloss — but we’d still get variable results and clipping too.
The profiles were made in Profilemaker as, unlike i1Profiler, you have the flexibility to create your own custom chart designs.
I reckoned that the variation was due to slackness in the Epson’s internal pre-scan white point calibration?
So, providing the scan you used to create the profile didn’t clip the white, manually editing the production scans prior to applying the profile to ensure their white doesn’t clip should give you reasonable results.
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It's a while since I used the 10000XL but ours came with Silverfast. Not as simple as the Epson interface but well regarded. I can't recall the details of scanner profiling procedure now but I would have thought it better than the Epson. Mark On 11 November 2016 at 23:21, David Scharf <electronman@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Yes, Vuescan (pro) is very capable software. It is one software program that I use with my Epson V750. The biggest problem with it, is that it does not keep your preview in memory. You have to do a new preview every time you open it back up which can be a big time waster if you have more than one neg or transparency in the scanner. Other than that, it is very versatile. DAVID SCHARF PHOTOGRAPHY
*DAVID SCHARF PHOTOGRAPHY*
Los Angeles, CA 90039
On 11/11/16 12:55 AM, Ernst Dinkla wrote:
Vuescan supports the 10000XL and much more scanner models. Works in 3 OS environments. It allows a RAW DNG export (disguised Tiff) without any influence on the image. Could be a good start for this instead of using the Epson software. Add a whiter patch than the original to the scan, for example a stack of Teflon tape. Any unknown OBA content in the original may still bring its white above that level though, depending on the scanner's light source. RAW profile based on Colorchecker or profiling after the RAW stage
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm July 2016 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Martin Orpen <martin@idea-digital.com> wrote:
On 9 Nov 2016, at 20:44, Barry Rudick <barryr@azphoto.com> wrote:
Anyone experience this?
Yes. But I'd blame the scanner for this, not the profiling software :-)
I tried to tame an Epson 10000XL A3 scanner when we were having problems with our Fuji Lanovia.
The Epson software made it really difficult to lock the scanner settings down — meaning that each scanning session would yield different results for the same chart even when you’d made every effort to keep the settings locked and consistent.
I use custom made charts on the print material we were scanning — mostly Kodak Endura, Fuji Gloss and Fuji Super Gloss — but we’d still get variable results and clipping too.
The profiles were made in Profilemaker as, unlike i1Profiler, you have the flexibility to create your own custom chart designs.
I reckoned that the variation was due to slackness in the Epson’s internal pre-scan white point calibration?
So, providing the scan you used to create the profile didn’t clip the white, manually editing the production scans prior to applying the profile to ensure their white doesn’t clip should give you reasonable results.
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