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Re: IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2
by Julian Mayer 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com "Can't"? regards, julian _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… hello i can't download IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2 either from Apple's Darwin or from the darwinsource.opendarwin.org site, what's up (older releases work fine)? sorry that i wasn't more specific, i thought it was a known issue. http://darwinsource.opendarwin.org/tarballs/apsl/IOATABlockStorage -131.3.2.tar.gz gives a 404 (Not Found) when trying to download from apple's site i get a "Download Unavailable The requested project could not be found." The problem for us is that we can't, without your help, determine whether you are running into a known issue, or have hit something new. Details always help. As Dave mentioned, there are broken links. I don't know that there is an official channel to fix this, but perhaps bringing it up here is sufficient. perhaps? so ... what should i do to get access to those sources ASAP? i would file a bug with apple's bugreporter but i've made the experience that those are just rotting untouched for years in the database... This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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kern.file in panther
by stephen joseph butler 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gXMXHGIM1kdf+KHzLcqascwWpIkSJxqITf1Y9l64o3Hup3QkaogZMH4IAgjG1ERNZx1yw4t3J67pEUABzLzKFKtPqeefvyaAr8KM7hD1ykgYW2GHiQhZAbbZQNWjKe11HSdTOtuHeygO7/WotsSYxPlE4RiOguHImxKV+ebuReU= I am trying to get a list of open file handles from the kernel, and it appears that pre-panther the way to do this is by using sysctl on "kern.file". However, the call in my program is returning an empty list, and "pstat -f" also has nothing listed. Has this functionality been removed? And if so, is there an equivalent replacement? The only other reference I could find to this was at http://lists.apple.com/archives/darwin-kernel/2004/Mar/msg00034.html, but no one ever answered his question. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2
by Justin Walker 29 Jan '05

29 Jan '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jan 29, 2005, at 11:18, Julian Mayer wrote: Am 29.01.2005 um 20:10 schrieb Justin Walker: On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:33, Julian Mayer wrote: "Can't"? Regards, Justin _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… hello i can't download IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2 either from Apple's Darwin or from the darwinsource.opendarwin.org site, what's up (older releases work fine)? sorry that i wasn't more specific, i thought it was a known issue. http://darwinsource.opendarwin.org/tarballs/apsl/IOATABlockStorage -131.3.2.tar.gz gives a 404 (Not Found) when trying to download from apple's site i get a "Download Unavailable The requested project could not be found." The problem for us is that we can't, without your help, determine whether you are running into a known issue, or have hit something new. Details always help. As Dave mentioned, there are broken links. I don't know that there is an official channel to fix this, but perhaps bringing it up here is sufficient. -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | "Weaseling out of things is what | separates us from the animals. | Well, except the weasel." | - Homer J Simpson *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2
by Julian Mayer 29 Jan '05

29 Jan '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Am 29.01.2005 um 20:10 schrieb Justin Walker: On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:33, Julian Mayer wrote: "Can't"? other projects or versions work fine from opendarwin and apple site. regards, julian _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… hello i can't download IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2 either from Apple's Darwin or from the darwinsource.opendarwin.org site, what's up (older releases work fine)? sorry that i wasn't more specific, i thought it was a known issue. http://darwinsource.opendarwin.org/tarballs/apsl/IOATABlockStorage -131.3.2.tar.gz gives a 404 (Not Found) when trying to download from apple's site i get a "Download Unavailable The requested project could not be found." This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2
by David Leimbach 29 Jan '05

29 Jan '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JAqUaF33so76xkHqM4/TCF69zMvkjNJzbRedcVJGh7WRyU5yNS+Hvt087M/7NCd2U4OgE0+PfPN23a/dEhZQH8LUn2p9YsKpMdbAODz2sYPiCAYvbibCnTZnaT/GMku9eb09jZGnf9lIff21DnehWFXk0UOorw/O2eXIktt+WGU= On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:10:32 -0800, Justin Walker <justin(a)mac.com> wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:33, Julian Mayer wrote: > > > hello > > i can't download IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2 either from Apple's Darwin > > or from the darwinsource.opendarwin.org site, what's up (older > > releases work fine)? > > "Can't"? Some have links that are broken. Did you actually try clicking it? http://darwinsource.opendarwin.org/tarballs/apsl/IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2.… Broken. Been that way for a few source releases. I either mentioned it once already or thought I did :). Kevin does such a nice job with the rest of it I didn't want to pester him :) Dave > > -- > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * > Institute for General Semantics | If you're not confused, > | You're not paying attention > *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/leimy2k%40gmail.com > > This email sent to leimy2k(a)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2
by Justin Walker 29 Jan '05

29 Jan '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:33, Julian Mayer wrote: "Can't"? -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | If you're not confused, | You're not paying attention *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… hello i can't download IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2 either from Apple's Darwin or from the darwinsource.opendarwin.org site, what's up (older releases work fine)? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2
by Julian Mayer 29 Jan '05

29 Jan '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… hello i can't download IOATABlockStorage-131.3.2 either from Apple's Darwin or from the darwinsource.opendarwin.org site, what's up (older releases work fine)? i'm specifically interested if the ATASMARTSample sample code has changed, since one of my users has reported that since updating to 10.3.6+ diskutil and DiskUtility.app report his drive as "Verified", which proviously was reported as "Failing". the problem is that my Application, which is based on the ATASMARTSample sample code still reports the drive as failing, so it seems like apple has made some fixes here!? thanks, julian This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Mailing list archive
by Dragan Milić 27 Jan '05

27 Jan '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi folks, Regards, Milke _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… I'm relatively new to this list and I want to keep the noise ratio as low as possible, so I always like to check the list archive before posting a question. Web archives are far from being the best way to search for specific topic, it's much easily done searching your mailbox in your favorite mail application. So, can someone, PLEASE, provide the complete archive of this list (from the very first message to the most recent one) for download, preferably in mailbox (.mbox) format, the way that Omni Group guys keep their lists archived? The archive can be organized by years or months or whatever, I just need it to be downloadable and easily importable into mail application. I know that it would take many megabytes, but that should not be the problem with today's broadband and fast Internet connections. I asked for this at lists.apple.com (actually I asked for downloadable archive of the Cocoa-dev list) while ago, but without any response or positive outcome. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: hwmond
by Chris Sarcone 27 Jan '05

27 Jan '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com David -- Thanks for for the information - Im trying this list as it wasnt clear to me where to ask questions about daemons such as hwmond - and Id seen previous questions about hwmond on this list - also as you will see from this post there are definite kernel issues As for using hwmond for your purpose, you could do a few things: HTH, -- Chris ------------------ 6 Infinite Loop M/S 306-2MS Cupertino CA 95014 phone: (408) 974-4033 fax: (408) 862-7577 email: sarcone(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This is a good list to ask in general, but this particular daemon is not in Darwin. Any kernel issues you find (panics/hangs) should be filed via bugreporter.apple.com and include the /Library/Logs/panic.log file or a dump of the panic information spewed to your console (don't know if you changed boot-args or not). however there seems to be a possible issue that Im hitting a Darwin kernel bug with my program - every so often the odd Xserve G5 node will panic - from the kernel core dump it seems one of the processes active at the time of the panic is my version of hwmond (im still running Apples hwmond) - this is fairly infrequent e.g. over 14 days for 96 nodes something like 5-6 have paniced at random intervals - my version of hwmond is looping every 60 seconds using IOServiceGetMatchingServices/IORegistryEntryCreateCFProperty to extract data from IOHWSensor and AppleFCU class objects - supposedly only reading kernel values If this is all you are doing, you should file a bug. The system should never panic and if it does, it's a bug. You're doing the equivalent of 'ioreg -c Foo' and you probably could reproduce your panic calling 'ioreg' in a script, so you should definitely file a bug. one possible explanation is that there is some interference between hwmond and myhwmond - both of them obviously trying to hit the same hardware registers (although its still a rare event) Access to these registers should be serialized if they need be, so that would be a bug if it leads to a panic... - hence if I can get the information from hwmond may be I dont need to do the IOService scanning in my program and maybe the issue will go away others are of course there is some kernel bug/race condition which Im hitting - or some issue in the IOKit library - the traceback always seems to be in routines labelled as object serialisation or it could be some interrupt issue I dont understand enough of Darwin kernel dumps to determine if the issue is simply from a program running at the time or its actually doing interrupt processing at the time of the panic of course its not clear to me what the current stability of Darwin is on XServe G5 nodes - there are significant new features in these machines which might lead to kernel issues - only machines with ECC etc. - issues with the 64 bit nature of the processors and the 32 bit version of Darwin - could even be of course processor errata Before positing theories about RAM or chip errata, how about just filing a bug and letting someone inside Apple track it down a bit? Seems like you have a reproducible enough case to warrant a bug. - File an enhancement request bug report to ask for a supported means of getting data from hwmond like Server Monitor does. - If you are an ADC member and have a "ticket" available, ask DTS for help in getting a supported method of retrieving this info. - Ask for hwmond to be open-sourced (not sure where this request would go, maybe KVV can help out here). This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: hwmond
by David Osguthorpe 27 Jan '05

27 Jan '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 01:58:52PM -0800, Chris Sarcone wrote: > > hwmond is not part of Darwin and is not a documented feature of the > Server version of OS X to rely upon (i.e. it is subject to change at > Apple's whim). Sounds like maybe you'd want to start from the other end > of the equation (what the ganglia cluster monitor requires as input) > and write a tool(s) that provides this info back to the monitor and > folks on the list can help you out getting that information. > Dear Chris, Thanks for for the information - Im trying this list as it wasnt clear to me where to ask questions about daemons such as hwmond - and Id seen previous questions about hwmond on this list - also as you will see from this post there are definite kernel issues I have already written my own version of hwmond for delivering data to ganglia - ganglia does not require anything as input one just sends it values to be recorded - at the moment this is most of the stuff hwmond logs for server monitor - fan speeds/voltages/currents/temperatures temperature was in fact the main driver for this as I wanted something that would shut down the machine if it rose above a certain temperature - again something associated withhwmond but with undocumented and more importantly unchangeable limits - this is something my hwmond does with user specifiable limits - in addition to providing a socket to deliver the data to any other process that wishes to request it this was derived from Apples open source for the ioreg command however there seems to be a possible issue that Im hitting a Darwin kernel bug with my program - every so often the odd Xserve G5 node will panic - from the kernel core dump it seems one of the processes active at the time of the panic is my version of hwmond (im still running Apples hwmond) - this is fairly infrequent e.g. over 14 days for 96 nodes something like 5-6 have paniced at random intervals - my version of hwmond is looping every 60 seconds using IOServiceGetMatchingServices/IORegistryEntryCreateCFProperty to extract data from IOHWSensor and AppleFCU class objects - supposedly only reading kernel values one possible explanation is that there is some interference between hwmond and myhwmond - both of them obviously trying to hit the same hardware registers (although its still a rare event) - hence if I can get the information from hwmond may be I dont need to do the IOService scanning in my program and maybe the issue will go away others are of course there is some kernel bug/race condition which Im hitting - or some issue in the IOKit library - the traceback always seems to be in routines labelled as object serialisation or it could be some interrupt issue I dont understand enough of Darwin kernel dumps to determine if the issue is simply from a program running at the time or its actually doing interrupt processing at the time of the panic of course its not clear to me what the current stability of Darwin is on XServe G5 nodes - there are significant new features in these machines which might lead to kernel issues - only machines with ECC etc. - issues with the 64 bit nature of the processors and the 32 bit version of Darwin - could even be of course processor errata In addition Id like to be able to check the system warning light and turn it on/off from the command line - also get the data on ECC errors (which seem to be happening on a node) and one node has a low voltage condition - i havent yet reverse engineered the limits in Apples hwmond into my version of hwmond to detect this I was also hoping to still use the e-mail notification features of hwmond Thanks David _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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