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Re: Screenshot of console?
by seebs＠plethora.net 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com In message <F3214746-53D0-42C3-AFAD-6C8416864B23(a)opendarwin.org>, Michael Maiba um writes: >Why not just take a photo? With a bit of care to set things up you >should be able to get an image of good enough quality for print, in a >lot less time than various other suggestions ;) This may actually be my best bet; in particular, a high-enough resolution camera would be enough for me to do a pixel-accurate reproduction. -s _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Screenshot of console?
by Michael Maibaum 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 22 Jul 2005, at 00:32, Peter Seebach wrote: I know about "set". :) Second, you might want to reconsider running x11. I think you've misunderstood the reason for the question. Michael _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… In message <8938ba670b072337bb88d32edc0f3483(a)verizon.net>, Derick Centeno write s: First, (I like your comment on Unix being selective regarding who it's friends are), bash has the easy facility called "set" which when invoked from $ spills out all the variable environment settings it is using for the terminal, or console you are working from. It may not be the answer, but merely a step to it. My actual goal is to have a screenshot of "the text console", to put in a book. It is not to decide what the best way to run a desktop is. Why not just take a photo? With a bit of care to set things up you should be able to get an image of good enough quality for print, in a lot less time than various other suggestions ;) This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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by ranjeet gupta 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

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Re: Screenshot of console?
by seebs＠plethora.net 21 Jul '05

21 Jul '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com In message <44C58E1C-AAA4-47CB-BEEA-0A84357D4DCF(a)themactionfaction.com>, AgentM writes: >I would recommend using the "script" command to record the terminal >interactions (after you login), then cat the output into a shell in >Terminal.app with settings that make it look like the framebuffer. Unfortunately, what I want is the actual login prompt. Now, as it happens, I have that text already. But what font am I looking for? -s _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Screenshot of console?
by seebs＠plethora.net 21 Jul '05

21 Jul '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com In message <8938ba670b072337bb88d32edc0f3483(a)verizon.net>, Derick Centeno write s: >First, (I like your comment on Unix being selective regarding who it's >friends are), bash has the easy facility called "set" which when >invoked from $ spills out all the variable environment settings it is >using for the terminal, or console you are working from. It may not be >the answer, but merely a step to it. I know about "set". :) >Second, you might want to reconsider running x11. I think you've misunderstood the reason for the question. My actual goal is to have a screenshot of "the text console", to put in a book. It is not to decide what the best way to run a desktop is. >Any one of these ways would work, what will matter will be the goal to >which you are aiming. I'm not sure that the designers of Unix >developed these character based apps with pixel collection, analysis or >review in mind, what nearly 40-50 years ago? You may have to relegate >yourself to hex, and really like it. Uh-huh. Well, that brings up the obvious question: Is the console font in Darwin the same as any standard X bitmap font? -s _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: any insights? upgrade from OpenSSL v0.9.7 --> 0.9.8 changes linking behavior on OSX
by OpenMacNews 21 Jul '05

21 Jul '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com hi markus, thx 4 the followup =) I already fixed this problem for DarwinPorts [1]; you may find the Portfile and the patches here [2]. [1] http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ [2] http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/darwinports/dports/devel/openssl/ excellent. i was hacking inelegantly along towards similar fixes ... thx! have you (could you?), perchance, submitted the fixes to openssl-dev? thx again! richard _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… of course, given some on openssl-dev's seeming lack of interest in ... and occassional hostility towards (dunno why !?) ... an apple/osx 'solution', i'm <grumble> in the middle of rolling back to v0.9.7g for my production boxes ... tho, at 1st glance, your solution looks like it'll be a good fix for my devbox(en) until the openssl release is 'OSX ready' w/o patching ... This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: any insights? upgrade from OpenSSL v0.9.7 --> 0.9.8 changes linking behavior on OSX
by Markus Weissmann 21 Jul '05

21 Jul '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, cheers, -Markus [1] http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ [2] http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/darwinports/dports/devel/openssl/ On 19.07.2005, at 22:18, OpenMacNews wrote: hi all, fwiw, i'm closer, but not 'there' yet ... > They screwed this up, go back and slap them. I'd rather slap Apple for having an ancient, weird binary format and toolchain that makes them so hard to support. > Looks like a case of progressive dementia. Its no wonder MacOSX specific brokenness creeps into OpenSource projects where the primary development is on non-MacOSX platforms. [] from openssl-0.9.8-src/PROBLEMS: LIBCRYPTO=-L.. -lcrypto LIBSSL=-L.. -lssl to: LIBCRYPTO=../libcrypto.a LIBSSL=../libssl.a ..." <grumble> i agree. a major PITA! </grumble> richard _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/mww%40opendarwin.org This email sent to mww(a)opendarwin.org --- Markus W. Weissmann http://www.mweissmann.de/ http://www.opendarwin.org/~mww/ _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… I already fixed this problem for DarwinPorts [1]; you may find the Portfile and the patches here [2]. cref: <http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssl- dev&m=112180411301985&w=2> seems there's a 'relevant (?) history' w.r.t OpenSSL "vs" Apple here ... " ... * System libcrypto.dylib and libssl.dylib are used by system ld on MacOS X. NOTE: The problem described here only applies when OpenSSL isn't built with shared library support (i.e. without the "shared" configuration option). If you build with shared library support, you will have no problems as long as you set up DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH properly at all times. This is really a misfeature in ld, which seems to look for .dylib libraries along the whole library path before it bothers looking for .a libraries. This means that -L switches won't matter unless OpenSSL is built with shared library support. The workaround may be to change the following lines in apps/ Makefile and test/Makefile: It's possible that something similar is needed for shared library support as well. That hasn't been well tested yet. Another solution that many seem to recommend is to move the libraries /usr/lib/libcrypto.0.9.dylib, /usr/lib/libssl.0.9.dylib to a different directory, build and install OpenSSL and anything that depends on your build, then move libcrypto.0.9.dylib and libssl.0.9.dylib back to their original places. Note that the version numbers on those two libraries may differ on your machine. As long as Apple doesn't fix the problem with ld, this problem building OpenSSL will remain as is. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Screenshot of console?
by scott lewis 21 Jul '05

21 Jul '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com scott. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… The simplest solution might be to grab the text and write your own character generator, the Darwin console font is, IIRC, defined in: <http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.4.2/xnu-792.2.4/ osfmk/console/iso_font.c> Also in that directory is the 'kernel panic image' bitmap, just in case anyone ever needs to win a bet. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: sieve
by Kevin Van Vechten 21 Jul '05

21 Jul '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com - Kevin On Jul 20, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Dale Walsh wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… If you'd like us to help, please follow-up with much more specific information. (i.e. what have you tried so far? which files appear to be missing?) When you say "Darwin 8.1" do you mean "Darwin 8.0.1 + compiled sources from Darwin 8.1" or do you mean "Mac OS X 10.4.1"? I've installed Darwin 8.1 on a B&W G3/400 to use as a mail server, any ideas on what need to be done to make sieve work?? It appears that some files are missing for starters but I'm not sure if anything else is missing. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Screenshot of console?
by Derick Centeno 21 Jul '05

21 Jul '05

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Best of Luck.... On Jul 20, 2005, at 5:12 AM, Peter Seebach wrote: I did not think that your request was for anything as simple as a screenshot of the desktop. It is always the simplest things that befuddle us, or at least me. Er, not the desktop. The *text console*. Darwin (bravo.example.com) (console) login: zach Password: Last login: Mon Jul 18 16:59:14 from bravo.example.co Welcome to Darwin! You are using bash. bravo:~ zach$ _ This email sent to aguilarojo(a)verizon.net _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… Hi Pete: Sometimes it's by meandering around and around that whatever one is looking for gets "zeroed in" on. You mention a few things in passing which could be, useful paths to a solution, I could be wrong as I was before also. First, (I like your comment on Unix being selective regarding who it's friends are), bash has the easy facility called "set" which when invoked from $ spills out all the variable environment settings it is using for the terminal, or console you are working from. It may not be the answer, but merely a step to it. Second, you might want to reconsider running x11. Because in it there exists a file called Xresources which itself can be opened with vim, vi or emacs. I'll assume you know how to use them as you are using Darwin to get this far in the first place. If you scroll down you'll find a list of X resource entries which control how xdm appears. The one useful to you could be Chooser*Command.font. It will spell out, in a near English as a Unix based computer can get, what exactly the font is which builds that client window. AgentM's suggestion would work but I would cat the output to a file as Terminal.app I believe is an Aqua based app. IF you output script into either the default file it creates or another or you use some of the ideas expressed in work Linux Programming Bible between pages 381-487 or other reference consider working entirely in emacs. You probably could use vi/vim, but just from what you described it sounds you'll need abilities to read hex tables and the like without hassles drawing you away from your task. You could cat what the terminal (in use by a user) or create one via something called screen then collect it's streamin to a file which you then open within emacs. Any one of these ways would work, what will matter will be the goal to which you are aiming. I'm not sure that the designers of Unix developed these character based apps with pixel collection, analysis or review in mind, what nearly 40-50 years ago? You may have to relegate yourself to hex, and really like it. In message <b09e7322321341f73c733c25bba5d815(a)verizon.net>, Derick Centeno write s: In short, I'm running neither X nor Aqua. I just have a prompt that says But it doesn't say it in the font my mail client uses; it uses it in a font compiled into the kernel somewhere. And I want a picture of that. I'm getting here by entering ">console" as a username to loginwindow.app. It then reactivates the pseudo-text-mode console driver (I assume it's really a framebuffer with a lot of text-scribbling code) and runs getty. -s _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/ aguilarojo%40verizon.net This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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