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Re: MacCentral Post
by plumber Idraulico 17 May '06

17 May '06

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Re: MacCentral Post
by Lance Westerhoff 17 May '06

17 May '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On May 17, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: > The Intel kernel sources have never been released. Or at least > there is no xnu in the 10.4.{4,5,6}.x86 download pages at > http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ > > It is a shame the kernel is now officially closed. You're both wrong. There has been no "official" comment either way. -- Finlay _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/lance%40mac.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… Well one nice thing: the story has been slashdot'd on the main page. This type of press has pushed Apple in the past to make rebuttal statements sooner rather then later, so perhaps we will see something come out of this. On 17/05/06, plumber Idraulico <plumber(a)gnu-darwin.org> wrote: it's tempory This email sent to lance(a)mac.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: MacCentral Post
by Damien Petrilli 17 May '06

17 May '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Le 17 mai 06 à 18:15, Marco Thoma a écrit : You mean to a Solaris 10 kernel. thank you Finaly for explaining me... Marco There are no "open source darwin devs". -- Finlay _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/mailunix%40free.fr This email sent to mailunix(a)free.fr Damien Petrilli _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… ok, now I understand this issue. thx. so we have to wait for 10.5 or maybe even 10.6 to get improvements? the only solution I see is that Apple changes the kernel from mach to a linux kernel, right? well...i had to ask. i really love my ppc mac, of course. but the whole system responsing time is killing me...;-) i worked with MorphOS and AmigaOS on PPC before...that's nice speed... Finlay Dobbie schrieb: On 17/05/06, Marco Thoma <thomasoft(a)ggs.ch> wrote: thank you. but what then is the benefit that darwin is open source? what do all the open source darwin devs then change?! This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: MacCentral Post
by Marco Thoma 17 May '06

17 May '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Organization: info(a)djliquid-x.com User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) thank you Finaly for explaining me... Marco There are no "open source darwin devs". -- Finlay _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… ok, now I understand this issue. thx. so we have to wait for 10.5 or maybe even 10.6 to get improvements? the only solution I see is that Apple changes the kernel from mach to a linux kernel, right? well...i had to ask. i really love my ppc mac, of course. but the whole system responsing time is killing me...;-) i worked with MorphOS and AmigaOS on PPC before...that's nice speed... Finlay Dobbie schrieb: On 17/05/06, Marco Thoma <thomasoft(a)ggs.ch> wrote: thank you. but what then is the benefit that darwin is open source? what do all the open source darwin devs then change?! This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: optimize the code
by plumber Idraulico 17 May '06

17 May '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Just do it ! ;) sorry i doubt ;) Best Regards kindly regards marco Justin C. Walker schrieb: On May 17, 2006, at 08:22 , Marco Thoma wrote: thx. guys. If you are not a coder, this is probably not a good idea to pursue. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large Director Institute for the Enhancement of the Director's Income -------- "Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals. Well, except the weasel." - Homer J Simpson -------- _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/thomasoft%40ggs.ch This email sent to thomasoft(a)ggs.ch _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… Sorry , First it was a geek joke thank you. but what then is the benefit that darwin is open source? what do all the open source darwin devs then change?! nothing like linux, where all the devs can optimize the code?! so we never will see a high performance responding osx? the render speed and so on is really hot on my quad. but os x is responsing very slowly if you look at other systems, like amigaos, morphos or linux. about what ? prog ? like amigaos, morphos i know, that the source for intel now is closed. and i know where i can download the sources for ppc. but my question is: does anybody know where i can find modified kernel/darwin packges? with improvement for speed, more features, fixes, optimized for g5 i.e There are no such things, inside or outside Apple. The way you get something optimized for G5, for example, is to recompile what you want with appropriate flags on the compiler line. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: MacCentral Post
by Finlay Dobbie 17 May '06

17 May '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gMjwOEMLIVUyW8iCavn5JJDhdIsAsUx+rKxshRlpvCljFm1JpLmg1Ij4sFJYb+TxV3zunfbPgoFPVuz8IwVO54PFPE5al8Kd2ZSsfj/zxJEopU8PBhL4ar39Wj1ozj/0/cyxzxaacC665gdn3QfFMZR4DMD1vQ0ygVB2pGRog+E= thank you. but what then is the benefit that darwin is open source? what do all the open source darwin devs then change?! There are no "open source darwin devs". -- Finlay _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… On 17/05/06, Marco Thoma <thomasoft(a)ggs.ch> wrote: This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: MacCentral Post
by Marco Thoma 17 May '06

17 May '06

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Re: MacCentral Post
by Justin C. Walker 17 May '06

17 May '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On May 17, 2006, at 08:22 , Marco Thoma wrote: thx. guys. If you are not a coder, this is probably not a good idea to pursue. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large Director Institute for the Enhancement of the Director's Income -------- "Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals. Well, except the weasel." - Homer J Simpson -------- _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… i know, that the source for intel now is closed. and i know where i can download the sources for ppc. but my question is: does anybody know where i can find modified kernel/darwin packges? with improvement for speed, more features, fixes, optimized for g5 i.e There are no such things, inside or outside Apple. The way you get something optimized for G5, for example, is to recompile what you want with appropriate flags on the compiler line. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: MacCentral Post
by Finlay Dobbie 17 May '06

17 May '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EG+qtZSvV3tdROd3/ivnh2mRcHSP9+1QUAgkSqj7SWZXO6hzYNVpTtNWwO4uqfY0sFwn0ziaek5aGkHyzAOOQ3ZkO8CrIEPmtxETBTncY1tOxkqa90sFkpoPZL6UWs5i/Zjs4UXLiqxMh3qE40B2GzmeFuu628S2TSSshxHObp8= > The Intel kernel sources have never been released. Or at least > there is no xnu in the 10.4.{4,5,6}.x86 download pages at > http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ > > It is a shame the kernel is now officially closed. You're both wrong. There has been no "official" comment either way. -- Finlay _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… On 17/05/06, plumber Idraulico <plumber(a)gnu-darwin.org> wrote: it's tempory This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: MacCentral Post
by plumber Idraulico 17 May '06

17 May '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com i think the MacCentral Post is closed this mailing-list is not a TV show or an IRC channel Best Regards _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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