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Re: How to be an apple developer without a Mac?
by Finlay Dobbie 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gaEZ1gEANhgDlGKFWxfvGiqTZQN4z81bnciDDPrH2dY3viRP5Sw9Ymz0HAy3P1Maxdin+17hvNbtipxjo5vONd3wntS38muXLJO0SMFfzT9P35DOu0EmkUXIGxzhvMGP0lD/Rh0oR5c4HAP6ckaG+/mzkwRqhx7QD2h+UZ9CLqE= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ky8DTwSlXULtJBa1grchu9sSJwk2BvWD5eCtT6zP+xYO+FrAV1b5zdzDHvTdD7xLCJCzFok7MZUAfPAz0yYuWjPh/WVuSGlMXtEPrzQZIKrcWfZj3vm/o6oSbl+1MgwOG6BXr19KzI8xBkjpQrxOz3IVKT7lDioQFogIvw+kh94= On 4-Jun-2007, at 11:17, Finlay Dobbie wrote: > On 04/06/07, mstpfh <mstpfh(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> The solution is simple, use darwin-x86. Or acquire a mac ;) > > Uh, you can't do Mac development on Darwin. Depends what you mean by "Mac development", really. You can't do Carbon or Cocoa development, but CoreFoundation is (nearly) there, along with the BSD layer, NetInfo, launchd, configd and so forth. Exactly. You can't do Mac development for any reasonable definition of Mac development. -- Finlay _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… On 04/06/07, Mo McRoberts <mo(a)nevali.net> wrote: This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: How to be an apple developer without a Mac?
by Alexander von Below 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Am 04.06.2007 um 12:19 schrieb Mo McRoberts: Alex Depends what you mean by “Mac development”, really. You can't do Carbon or Cocoa development, but CoreFoundation is (nearly) there, along with the BSD layer, NetInfo, launchd, configd and so forth. I believe the issue has been settled, but with all due respect: Unless you are an impoverished hobbyist(1), I doubt it is worth the time and effort - legal issues aside - to do either Darwin or Mac development on a machine other than a Mac. "Get a Mac" from eBay, a G3 fshould be able to run Tiger (10.4), and a G4 will probably support Leopard (10.5). Or, do the right thing and get an Intel Mac an throw your old PC out ;) 1) Or your interest is specifically the advancement of Darwin x86 on non-Apple hardware _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: How to be an apple developer without a Mac?
by Mo McRoberts 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 4-Jun-2007, at 11:17, Finlay Dobbie wrote: -- mo mcroberts :: mo(a)nevali.net :: http://nevali.net _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… On 04/06/07, mstpfh <mstpfh(a)gmail.com> wrote: The solution is simple, use darwin-x86. Or acquire a mac ;) Uh, you can't do Mac development on Darwin. Depends what you mean by “Mac development”, really. You can't do Carbon or Cocoa development, but CoreFoundation is (nearly) there, along with the BSD layer, NetInfo, launchd, configd and so forth. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: How to be an apple developer without a Mac?
by mstpfh 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hlMz5CBmiOXdi6xTc3HMB1lY2QwBIlKakq5q6hJIiNoYbH8MxkPOpvt4lpWkpulU8mg6tWEwZojtpUGpgcKlbFV5dfw7CEg5dBv/HYW1LasIgz/hPs5MiH/Qvwjkgyw7jRVT2VcpimGsz0kBT9LGwG1SZh//L9VPAHFbRrHZT2g= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Rgc8eT1jrSQGSTVkP1ch8O9FUvcRe4t5h+x2Vsx4Ups/f8iJ+Wp0mlFiBHczzOvBN8uFu3RMMD6eM+woh6IxLdVVvXZS6hQTU+1YJA5DnA9M8qW/ItYVaAVmPV5Lhx9OYEjMWqL1yuvoz4ANYsMkRqVF/itFS+fvssHHUwB2JMI= User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) Uh, you can't do Mac development on Darwin. -- Finlay Finlay Dobbie wrote: On 04/06/07, mstpfh <mstpfh(a)gmail.com> wrote: The solution is simple, use darwin-x86. Or acquire a mac ;) Well he can do darwin dev. Which is the closest related field. Thanks finlay.. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: How to be an apple developer without a Mac?
by Finlay Dobbie 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

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Re: How to be an apple developer without a Mac?
by mstpfh 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BrkJ9FjRTadoJmLyUCvNuyxpy60TCvh2jJgDEWmEVbMgijOdhnBUSafkdM0Sd/Cdr5jucmHwqOFrMrxnUpjTgKkv/4tMf7Cug9GOA7lQvAPyu/apBhrHmWqoJ2c0m3SBeu3LHuhbtXuUEz3rcmtJWDad+974njP79/u31kNN8TU= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MAtq6mNNGMo16vTL/S/S5mfRy8Zy/S+/n+v4LLsf+h0cDOyXJM9zXKDtZ64o2mpoosLvlMvGEIUfssouc1iH/Fz1mngNTSNdeiYZALGGFwXOQJnSmrl9LtmMUekz9okWJHfyJwsT8HXkBxJfNZvTSFRxdC8XH+1uKiVVlbO18Kk= User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) OK guys. I will try to find one... Thanks. Calvin On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:07 PM, Calvin (Yu-Hui) Liu wrote: - Jordan The solution is simple, use darwin-x86. Or acquire a mac ;) Best regards. Mustapha Abiola _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… Calvin (Yu-Hui) Liu wrote: Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: I'd like to try development on Mac but unfortunatelly I don't own one. Unfortunately, that's a bit like trying to be a pilot without having a plane. You'll need to get (or somehow arrange access to) a Mac if you want to be an Apple Developer. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: How to be an apple developer without a Mac?
by Calvin (Yu-Hui) Liu 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) OK guys. I will try to find one... Thanks. Calvin On Jun 3, 2007, at 10:07 PM, Calvin (Yu-Hui) Liu wrote: - Jordan _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: I'd like to try development on Mac but unfortunatelly I don't own one. Unfortunately, that's a bit like trying to be a pilot without having a plane. You'll need to get (or somehow arrange access to) a Mac if you want to be an Apple Developer. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: How to be an apple developer without a Mac?
by Jordan K. Hubbard 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: How to be an apple developer without a Mac?
by Dave Schroeder 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Get a cheap G4 on eBay. - Dave On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:07 AM, Calvin (Yu-Hui) Liu wrote: Hi, there, _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com This is against Apple's license agreement, is technically pirating Mac OS X (even if you purchase a separate copy), and illegal in many jurisdictions. The only supported, legal, and some would say ethical way to run Mac OS X is on Apple hardware. I'd like to try development on Mac but unfortunatelly I don't own one. How can I run a Mac virtual machine on a PC? I found this link, looks useful http://uneasysilence.com/os-x-proven-hacked-and-running-on-an- ordinary-pc/. But can't find the "VMWare files for patched Mac OS X Tiger Intel". Any idea? smime.p7s

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How to be an apple developer without a Mac?
by Calvin (Yu-Hui) Liu 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) Hi, there, I'd like to try development on Mac but unfortunatelly I don't own one. How can I run a Mac virtual machine on a PC? I found this link, looks useful http://uneasysilence.com/os-x-proven-hacked-and-running-on-an-ordinary-pc/. But can't find the "VMWare files for patched Mac OS X Tiger Intel". Any idea? Thanks. Calvin _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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