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Re: Darwin GUI-less for use as a server
by vincenzi＠lavabit.com 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lavabit; d=lavabit.com; b=1fA5qIdQQIXs/+n6/SRoqvjGWThNljp+xnOC+6jX91WNspISpqRdlaC4nwnjE+m07TkhecHSB1gMQbqsEy3MFfnr8lPHlXUXk1UiYr160kwIzzXEH7ghu1g/qysVFSjV/33n9oD/AsysDUlTGD+f4coqVu3yhfs+NtFsTRoSH9k=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; User-agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 I don't trust google. and the keywords does not include Darwin. > > On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:23 PM, vincenzi(a)lavabit.com wrote: > >> setting a web server using only open source and using Darwin as kernel. > > Might I suggest doing something as simple as typing into Google: > > open source web server > > and you will get several results to select from. > > Eli > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/vincenzi%40lavabit.com > > This email sent to vincenzi(a)lavabit.com > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Darwin GUI-less for use as a server
by probono 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Maybe you're interested in PureDarwin? It's based on Darwin's xnu kernel and it can run Apache just fine. http://www.puredarwin.org/users/apache _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: What exactly happens when I perform a force quit?
by Dan Shoop 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Chris Suter wrote: > Hi Alex, > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Alexander Golec > <alexgolecmailinglists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've recently finished an intensive intro course to OS's, and I'm looking at my computer in a new light. I have a few questions I'd appreciate it if someone would take the time to answer. >> >> First, what exactly happens when I perform a force quit on something? Secondly, how would I go about figuring this out on my own? > > It's probably implemented by sending SIGKILL to the program. Type "man > signal" in terminal. Not sure how you would have known to look there. Obviously it's a signal being sent, what's not clear is which signals are sent and if you "Force Quit" more than once if those signals are escalated. Normally a HUP, TERM, and KILL is the escalation a sysadmin might issue. `man kill` might be useful too for those unfamiliar with kill'ing processes. It's all fairly standard unix/posix stuff. As for investigating this, sc_usage and dtrace (a very excellent tool, thankful it made it into OSX from Solaris) are very useful in viewing process calls and events. Instruments is a dtrace GUI (though limited.) -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Shoop shoop(a)iwiring.net GoogleVoice: 1-646-402-5293 aim: iWiring twitter: @colonelmode _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: What exactly happens when I perform a force quit?
by Chris Suter 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Alex, On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Alexander Golec <alexgolecmailinglists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've recently finished an intensive intro course to OS's, and I'm looking at my computer in a new light. I have a few questions I'd appreciate it if someone would take the time to answer. > > First, what exactly happens when I perform a force quit on something? Secondly, how would I go about figuring this out on my own? It's probably implemented by sending SIGKILL to the program. Type "man signal" in terminal. Not sure how you would have known to look there. -- Chris _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Darwin GUI-less for use as a server
by Nick Blievers 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Single user mode will get you booted without a GUI, from there you can mount root rw, start the network and run apache. On 13/01/2011, at 3:53 PM, Eli Bach wrote: > > On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:23 PM, vincenzi(a)lavabit.com wrote: > >> setting a web server using only open source and using Darwin as kernel. > > Might I suggest doing something as simple as typing into Google: > > open source web server > > and you will get several results to select from. > > Eli > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/nick%40trustdefender.com > > This email sent to nick(a)trustdefender.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Darwin GUI-less for use as a server
by Eli Bach 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to :x-mailer; bh=uOc7N5XzjkqbqtrOFSqo7fXjA7Gmr5VvLGGuXsQVfgg=; b=j4LoMd8SKcRvNlkv1JbGTaEVoyV7o59ct3w0+T6bbWAOh4yrZ7OSNClU3mVV51nhfy FdBvC4UfTt2lS+wVzFbnrSCWWSSHU6Sv31FNHVVOgHOiEjPkBJy1aSOQKg8n7fww9uGI ISEJEglq+ONCQCmT4tHBDMtoj6nCzLQx7O+wI= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=T3Hj+DHT2NyJAlidEwl8FQ95NUQKnQGZBBmymppS7rRXWdUYkEa79h1xcO9MbczY5I I7b5XbXphiCtLXcmL8v1kmMDN7p0QajAxoE3hf822il7QLW72T5+IEOyCi0dVz5Uojbz h9eiVAttw/2VJJ+m0dYs9CccsBbhGAWBnUFjA= On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:23 PM, vincenzi(a)lavabit.com wrote: > setting a web server using only open source and using Darwin as kernel. Might I suggest doing something as simple as typing into Google: open source web server and you will get several results to select from. Eli _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Darwin GUI-less for use as a server
by vincenzi＠lavabit.com 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lavabit; d=lavabit.com; b=JSzv2pug4T/E4MdgwpCzjDAkCaPAWAkQoRkz5xlgy0ZVb0Ia0FHirGMBkNQMI2ZZTZ/Mm3CKHITAdnEtG7nr0ONYREmzB4OR/WQesU9gLdv06G8QWViDhTjrDF8uxjiSt3ltOJMzhb8qdFwl0iOYCVknVS7P/ImhleK18aas/f4=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; User-agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 setting a web server using only open source and using Darwin as kernel. > What are you exactly trying to accomplish? > > -Juan > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:32 PM, vincenzi(a)lavabit.com wrote: > >> Are there any Snow Leopard / Darwin equivalent / web references for use >> in >> web servers? >> >> specifically, one server that doesn't require a GUI... just TUI (Text >> User >> Interface, or CLI). >> >> I tested Darwin in the Tiger days, and was able to run and install it (I >> think it was virtualized)... without a need for a kernel -compile. >> >> and no, I will not use any Unix-like OS's that are not Darwin... I have >> read enough about the architecture, and enough Open Source mailing lists >> msg's to chose Darwin. >> >> if the method requires a kernel -compile, since my current experimental >> machine is "picky about DVI-to-VGA" connections, it will keep me >> entertained for some weeks... or months depending on time availability. >> >> happy new year, to all... >> >>> On Jan 2011, vincenzi(a)lavabit.com wrote: >>> >>>> thanks, >>>> the friendly fork will be uploaded at http://elvenmuse.mobi/enSUI/ >>>> >>>> % uploaded... yes, the image is huge. >>> >>> Perhaps you could start your own mailing list for your enSUI project, >>> so >>> that people who are interested can join it? I'm sure the rest of us >>> don't >>> need to know every time you upload something to your website. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Alastair. >>> >>> -- >>> http://alastairs-place.net >> >> well, it was the first upload... >> >> I apologize for going off-topic in some "threads"; that was my way of >> replying to comments that have the "rtfm tendency" (which almost "stray" >> me away from Open Source, I prefer to the point and useful in some way >> replies... like your last one). For this year, I will simply "multiply >> by >> zero" some comments. >> >> enSUI will use a Vanilla web-forum, not on a mood to learn mailing lists >> set-ups. // what I don't like is that Re: and Fwd: "leave orphan threads >> empty" >> >> thanks, >> SG Vincenzi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/z3r0_f4ct0r%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to z3r0_f4ct0r(a)mac.com > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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What exactly happens when I perform a force quit?
by Alexander Golec 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=xGmFMWlOOP/6ZIjh2Kb3KaF6botOvKJtOJH05kCMOyI=; b=LtqCyiXgXsBUWYcZaOfE3IHtNcJEr08cIojHbh00G6W67cxlo83ZnRmXUD0ZmQ6+/H L3hHhh6JEOv0an9b4nHG72wu9MwBPeKTX4nd8HgRJxORUfMuu905GWXtnYFfI4YJ3/8C N/Ze4+qWzjFkYa9+kCMVeOclICpBscKDMkczI= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; b=Lk3oGrE/y+kQlF0PVqa0TtvDzGL6qsjRLJxosyLIV9dihcSqSmVYCrjFaJ7DI78M21 SMZVeMaUfamkatcIPwuu66WRigp0RKe4ayg3i1706QHkbpmACOGq3yu8EAl/+1/VNe5M FkwSH9bm796rBGc0d6MVM7v9sUjEGpNGJXTnw= Hi all, I've recently finished an intensive intro course to OS's, and I'm looking at my computer in a new light. I have a few questions I'd appreciate it if someone would take the time to answer. First, what exactly happens when I perform a force quit on something? Secondly, how would I go about figuring this out on my own? I presume there is some sort of functionality for tracing the kernel, and I presume there is some way to log system calls made by an application, but I'm not sure either where to find it or which application to apply it to. Would force quit be implemented on the level of the kernel, or in the realm of the standard library? Because on one hand, you can be brutal and just close all file handles and eject the program from the scheduler, while on the other hand anything above that level would require some arbitration on the part of the runtime environment. Thanks, Alex Golec _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Darwin GUI-less for use as a server
by vincenzi＠lavabit.com 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lavabit; d=lavabit.com; b=XjGDjt6+pmeJtz3wGssEwz41SwEBiDTaNtKPq9GZrvRna39YQ+AfFxGibAWF1qtioDqa8b7lIpAOTzoBZ1hs64oQLp0wDAfX3i7vPv+CSZ+KwElSs5NUAerVVa28BH/K/X5Qj2jwg5YGG7Oi/a4AkruwpI6Dkosr5oSY5sATBcE=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; User-agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 Are there any Snow Leopard / Darwin equivalent / web references for use in web servers? specifically, one server that doesn't require a GUI... just TUI (Text User Interface, or CLI). I tested Darwin in the Tiger days, and was able to run and install it (I think it was virtualized)... without a need for a kernel -compile. and no, I will not use any Unix-like OS's that are not Darwin... I have read enough about the architecture, and enough Open Source mailing lists msg's to chose Darwin. if the method requires a kernel -compile, since my current experimental machine is "picky about DVI-to-VGA" connections, it will keep me entertained for some weeks... or months depending on time availability. happy new year, to all... > On Jan 2011, vincenzi(a)lavabit.com wrote: > >> thanks, >> the friendly fork will be uploaded at http://elvenmuse.mobi/enSUI/ >> >> % uploaded... yes, the image is huge. > > Perhaps you could start your own mailing list for your enSUI project, so > that people who are interested can join it? I'm sure the rest of us don't > need to know every time you upload something to your website. > > Kind regards, > > Alastair. > > -- > http://alastairs-place.net well, it was the first upload... I apologize for going off-topic in some "threads"; that was my way of replying to comments that have the "rtfm tendency" (which almost "stray" me away from Open Source, I prefer to the point and useful in some way replies... like your last one). For this year, I will simply "multiply by zero" some comments. enSUI will use a Vanilla web-forum, not on a mood to learn mailing lists set-ups. // what I don't like is that Re: and Fwd: "leave orphan threads empty" thanks, SG Vincenzi _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Open Source Release for Mac OS X 10.6.6
by Alastair Houghton 11 Jan '11

11 Jan '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=coriolis-systems.com; h= subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=aug07; bh=BN6LZDD+MBYslGJmfWaYwZDMSWU=; b=tOYIYVVKQEtZPSoQKGzksprZMnbO MBkjXRWuPD9h/Tq1qmvmgmftwG3UCypM76qTZi+/06agg8GfDWOh3AkYSD3uX/GM csgTZ4on3GHgUFvqpgnTEIIyTRC14DNNrJB/U4joaPdBUAcuzaVAX2Ujt5Fgm55H 9rR5PkDtbA4OEqk= On 10 Jan 2011, at 03:58, vincenzi(a)lavabit.com wrote: > thanks, > the friendly fork will be uploaded at http://elvenmuse.mobi/enSUI/ > > % uploaded... yes, the image is huge. Perhaps you could start your own mailing list for your enSUI project, so that people who are interested can join it? I'm sure the rest of us don't need to know every time you upload something to your website. Kind regards, Alastair. -- http://alastairs-place.net _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.app… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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