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Re: Update the make utility
by Kevin Van Vechten 24 Aug '17

24 Aug '17

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com macOS conforms to SUSv6 so the 2004 standard is the relevant one for make. kvv > On Aug 24, 2017, at 7:45 AM, dangerwillrobinsondanger(a)gmail.com wrote: > > But that version was from 2004. > This one is from 2016 > http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ > <http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/> > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 24, 2017, at 23:38, Kevin Van Vechten <kvv(a)apple.com > <mailto:kvv@apple.com>> wrote: > >> Another consideration is that make is governed by a standard, and gnumake >> extensions may not be compatible. >> >> <http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/make.html >> <http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/make.html>> >> >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu(a)apple.com >> <mailto:jeremyhu@apple.com>> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:25, Jens Alfke <jens(a)mooseyard.com >>>> <mailto:jens@mooseyard.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Marcus Johnson <bumblebritches57(a)gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:bumblebritches57@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So yeah, can you guys switch the make utility from gnu to FreeBSD's? >>>> >>>> Is FreeBSD's is 100.0% backward compatible with GNU's? >>> >>> Absolutely not, but if you are depending on GNU extensions for make, you >>> should be using gnumake instead of make. Both are the exact same binary, >>> but gnumake is guranteed to support GNU extensions, and make is not. >>> >>> FSF adopted GPLv3 for future versions of GNU make, so we've just been stuck >>> in maintenance mode with the last version of GNU make for the past decade. >>> >>> We used to ship bsdmake as an alternative to GNU make, but that was >>> obsoleted back in Xcode 4 days: >>> >>> <rdar://problem/10471919 <rdar://problem/10471919>> obsolete bsdmake >>> >>>> If not, that would be a breaking change. I suspect that's the reason. >>>> >>>> Even if it is compatible, switching would be a risk to the Core OS build >>>> process, since nothing is exactly 100% backward compatible. If I were on >>>> Apple's Core OS team, I probably wouldn't see the risk as worth it, >>>> especially when it's so easy for developers to install an alternate 'make' >>>> tool using e.g. Homebrew. >>> >>> Many (not all, not xnu) CoreOS projects that used to use make were >>> transitioned to Xcode a few years ago, but yes. There's not really a >>> compelling reason to switch. >>> >>>> >>>> —Jens >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com >> <mailto:Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com>) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/dangerwillrobinsondanger… >> >> <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/dangerwillrobinsondanger…> >> >> This email sent to dangerwillrobinsondanger(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:dangerwillrobinsondanger@gmail.com> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com smime.p7s

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Re: Update the make utility
by Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia 24 Aug '17

24 Aug '17

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com > On Aug 24, 2017, at 7:45 AM, dangerwillrobinsondanger(a)gmail.com wrote: > > But that version was from 2004. > This one is from 2016 > http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ Yep, I agree. Would you mind filing a radar at http://bugreport.apple.com to request the addition of a modern bsd make. Please reply back with the radar number, and I'll make sure that it's discussed and considered. > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 24, 2017, at 23:38, Kevin Van Vechten <kvv(a)apple.com> wrote: > >> Another consideration is that make is governed by a standard, and gnumake >> extensions may not be compatible. Also, BSD extensions may not be compatible. >> >> <http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/make.html> >> >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu(a)apple.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:25, Jens Alfke <jens(a)mooseyard.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Marcus Johnson <bumblebritches57(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So yeah, can you guys switch the make utility from gnu to FreeBSD's? >>>> >>>> Is FreeBSD's is 100.0% backward compatible with GNU's? >>> >>> Absolutely not, but if you are depending on GNU extensions for make, you >>> should be using gnumake instead of make. Both are the exact same binary, >>> but gnumake is guranteed to support GNU extensions, and make is not. >>> >>> FSF adopted GPLv3 for future versions of GNU make, so we've just been stuck >>> in maintenance mode with the last version of GNU make for the past decade. >>> >>> We used to ship bsdmake as an alternative to GNU make, but that was >>> obsoleted back in Xcode 4 days: >>> >>> <rdar://problem/10471919> obsolete bsdmake >>> >>>> If not, that would be a breaking change. I suspect that's the reason. >>>> >>>> Even if it is compatible, switching would be a risk to the Core OS build >>>> process, since nothing is exactly 100% backward compatible. If I were on >>>> Apple's Core OS team, I probably wouldn't see the risk as worth it, >>>> especially when it's so easy for developers to install an alternate 'make' >>>> tool using e.g. Homebrew. >>> >>> Many (not all, not xnu) CoreOS projects that used to use make were >>> transitioned to Xcode a few years ago, but yes. There's not really a >>> compelling reason to switch. >>> >>>> >>>> —Jens >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/dangerwillrobinsondanger… >> >> This email sent to dangerwillrobinsondanger(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Update the make utility
by dangerwillrobinsondanger＠gmail.com 24 Aug '17

24 Aug '17

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=dvqE6swiwsz6SElsxxjSO95BhHqcsX8AEuYbyzZzAyE=; b=gyJuWreew4UHZdfIboX/xPrQqezfoXDFbglPphIKMZ3x22p4Kei3fGguPuykSmcrNA cPz2j2ugr0DdHFU3qfTm+CBjv3LZyxo/m5NGU941QMwRWvnJ7iMj+jRmS+3Rja6jBnSR aLc0CbuAiwjAac5lY/QEhHtadrHowsmE64YSz+Vm1xFZp6eASqkUvfaowGocAuEibKXi FM3nPYo/eMJUOxWk4OMKe7qIpNONjKPUWKroBkG/J3zep/3SuKZ+BKweXeZvokDBQLIl e0E0CpuPPPPoIlghb+fYz/0L3zzdQlTxD5egYkVIp10UyyK8AzUziK89SY7REMAOofDA b0xw== But that version was from 2004. This one is from 2016 http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2017, at 23:38, Kevin Van Vechten <kvv(a)apple.com> wrote: > > Another consideration is that make is governed by a standard, and gnumake > extensions may not be compatible. > > <http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/make.html> > >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu(a)apple.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:25, Jens Alfke <jens(a)mooseyard.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Marcus Johnson <bumblebritches57(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So yeah, can you guys switch the make utility from gnu to FreeBSD's? >>> >>> Is FreeBSD's is 100.0% backward compatible with GNU's? >> >> Absolutely not, but if you are depending on GNU extensions for make, you >> should be using gnumake instead of make. Both are the exact same binary, >> but gnumake is guranteed to support GNU extensions, and make is not. >> >> FSF adopted GPLv3 for future versions of GNU make, so we've just been stuck >> in maintenance mode with the last version of GNU make for the past decade. >> >> We used to ship bsdmake as an alternative to GNU make, but that was >> obsoleted back in Xcode 4 days: >> >> <rdar://problem/10471919> obsolete bsdmake >> >>> If not, that would be a breaking change. I suspect that's the reason. >>> >>> Even if it is compatible, switching would be a risk to the Core OS build >>> process, since nothing is exactly 100% backward compatible. If I were on >>> Apple's Core OS team, I probably wouldn't see the risk as worth it, >>> especially when it's so easy for developers to install an alternate 'make' >>> tool using e.g. Homebrew. >> >> Many (not all, not xnu) CoreOS projects that used to use make were >> transitioned to Xcode a few years ago, but yes. There's not really a >> compelling reason to switch. >> >>> >>> ―Jens > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/dangerwillrobinsondanger… > > This email sent to dangerwillrobinsondanger(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Update the make utility
by Kevin Van Vechten 24 Aug '17

24 Aug '17

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Another consideration is that make is governed by a standard, and gnumake extensions may not be compatible. <http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/make.html> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia <jeremyhu(a)apple.com> > wrote: > > > >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:25, Jens Alfke <jens(a)mooseyard.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Marcus Johnson <bumblebritches57(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> So yeah, can you guys switch the make utility from gnu to FreeBSD's? >> >> Is FreeBSD's is 100.0% backward compatible with GNU's? > > Absolutely not, but if you are depending on GNU extensions for make, you > should be using gnumake instead of make. Both are the exact same binary, but > gnumake is guranteed to support GNU extensions, and make is not. > > FSF adopted GPLv3 for future versions of GNU make, so we've just been stuck > in maintenance mode with the last version of GNU make for the past decade. > > We used to ship bsdmake as an alternative to GNU make, but that was obsoleted > back in Xcode 4 days: > > <rdar://problem/10471919> obsolete bsdmake > >> If not, that would be a breaking change. I suspect that's the reason. >> >> Even if it is compatible, switching would be a risk to the Core OS build >> process, since nothing is exactly 100% backward compatible. If I were on >> Apple's Core OS team, I probably wouldn't see the risk as worth it, >> especially when it's so easy for developers to install an alternate 'make' >> tool using e.g. Homebrew. > > Many (not all, not xnu) CoreOS projects that used to use make were > transitioned to Xcode a few years ago, but yes. There's not really a > compelling reason to switch. > >> >> —Jens _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Update the make utility
by Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia 24 Aug '17

24 Aug '17

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com > On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:25, Jens Alfke <jens(a)mooseyard.com> wrote: > > > >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Marcus Johnson <bumblebritches57(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> So yeah, can you guys switch the make utility from gnu to FreeBSD's? > > Is FreeBSD's is 100.0% backward compatible with GNU's? Absolutely not, but if you are depending on GNU extensions for make, you should be using gnumake instead of make. Both are the exact same binary, but gnumake is guranteed to support GNU extensions, and make is not. FSF adopted GPLv3 for future versions of GNU make, so we've just been stuck in maintenance mode with the last version of GNU make for the past decade. We used to ship bsdmake as an alternative to GNU make, but that was obsoleted back in Xcode 4 days: <rdar://problem/10471919> obsolete bsdmake > If not, that would be a breaking change. I suspect that's the reason. > > Even if it is compatible, switching would be a risk to the Core OS build > process, since nothing is exactly 100% backward compatible. If I were on > Apple's Core OS team, I probably wouldn't see the risk as worth it, > especially when it's so easy for developers to install an alternate 'make' > tool using e.g. Homebrew. Many (not all, not xnu) CoreOS projects that used to use make were transitioned to Xcode a few years ago, but yes. There's not really a compelling reason to switch. > > —Jens > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/jeremyhu%40apple.com > > This email sent to jeremyhu(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Update the make utility
by Jens Alfke 23 Aug '17

23 Aug '17

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Update the make utility
by Marcus Johnson 23 Aug '17

23 Aug '17

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=CsliKP3/6Vx6QB1JK+AZGSlZmEL+nDbDhd/q9NmrXYM=; b=kPP2z4BHSuJISMlD5V6ZFFgGSZST3O/lNg+8tA3YWSzUtYkkPRV1ykWzy+FGQSd2Pe cXfgUOGHAkuy8pWctOAy07AfTOcMUS7dTRmr3hzVZdbjgv01U786bzQ8EajJLLKG4SlW FoYp3RVCqmq9ewhsVYS0ASjO/DfQ9fkPFbAnGLrDEvTt0oTaYxdw/Ws6klYXcJeEMhxQ VNyG5aphmqb+fH7t2tAwmeehOvl8XU5rPF7MhE5nsL8H0szVd2ncSl6fhlf3W8fynIJY 5ryHR/GvPrvjDKX0NZfUzZZsfNXSVPs6eD+u8KqbXTDljvaWgg13P+538c3nAtzYr6wk IUTA== FreeBSD's make has support for both `:=` and `::=` operators, support for the `:=` operator has existed since FreeBSD 1.0 released in November 1993, and support for the `::=` operator since 10.0, released on January 20th 2014, yet Darwin's make is GNU Make 3.81 released on April 1st 2006, over 11 years ago. So yeah, can you guys switch the make utility from gnu to FreeBSD's? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Bounces from uscc.net
by Axel Luttgens 23 Aug '17

23 Aug '17

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Re: Bounces from uscc.net
by Axel Luttgens 23 Aug '17

23 Aug '17

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=skynet.be; i=(a)skynet.be; q=dns/txt; s=securemail; t=1503478885; x=1535014885; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=zmqw0GdEQCcP+RPXyZ6CcVVCSxAYh52Tq65qGorOEOc=; b=Bwl0r/LSbVJofJd9EHhz9rSFGxPFlMQKwdZjvcyEKurr3IBuUtLTF3mM OSM+EI+ch9cIClI8PggWdQdSnCqdlA==; Ironport-phdr: 9a23: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 > Le 23 août 2017 à 10:31, Alastair Houghton a écrit : > > Is anyone else seeing bounces from uscc.net when posting to darwin-dev? > Would a list moderator care to remove the user "3302176000(a)email.uscc.xn--net-9o0a > from the list until such time as this is fixed? Hello Alastair, Checking by replying to your message. Should I receive such a bounce, I’ll report here. Axel _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Bounces from uscc.net
by Alastair Houghton 23 Aug '17

23 Aug '17

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Is anyone else seeing bounces from uscc.net when posting to darwin-dev? Would a list moderator care to remove the user "3302176000(a)email.uscc.xn--net-9o0a from the list until such time as this is fixed? Kind regards, Alastair. -- http://alastairs-place.net ==== Message follows ==== Return-Path: <prvs=4013eea2d=MAILER_DAEMON(a)email.uscc.net> Delivered-To: alastair(a)alastairs-place.net Received: from mail.alastairs-place.net by alastairs-place.net (Dovecot) with LMTP id wjrmCc07nVnmcgAAALwFNw for <alastair(a)alastairs-place.net>; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:25:01 +0000 Received: from av1.mx.uscc.net (av1.mx.uscc.net [198.8.14.178]) by mail.alastairs-place.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 333E412298 for <alastair(a)alastairs-place.net>; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <fe21ef$1tlof2(a)vaashb01-corpmx-01.uscc.com> X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.41,415,1498521600"; d="scan'208";a="64676322" Received: from knxmotosmsc1.uscc.net (HELO email.uscc.net) ([10.76.216.117]) by vaashb01-corpmx-01.uscc.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2017 08:24:58 +0000 From: <MAILER_DAEMON(a)email.uscc.net> To: <alastair(a)alastairs-place.net> Subject: Date: 23 Aug 2017 04:24:58 EDT Message to 3302176000(a)email.uscc.net failed. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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