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Re: Dev Tools 9 missing
by Software Developer 11 Dec '18

11 Dec '18

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bt1383820pop.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-sandoeacoustics-co-uk01e; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=E6rnQ7RuX4qM+SkCFoXvYkgteBa1ByT9J25GKw7PK6Y=; b=OWA92pz/CA4pIOFrhnG2ddn7h2Yb65l6m9MXUaIqGN25EF1ujQdLx9Jd7ELo50KbBrGbM4Pd3Xo0K/2AMZes0Y2BXpz52hpox+6HTTh7AOtgVAoXMUnDms3O628POX3NgN8VGZrpGvlg7Qd+UODFW19bC1xTde9m4ea8AXCgG7k= Spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 Thread-index: AQHUkG+38LV1P42G5UWGrXBnH+QV9aV5OMMAgAAD+YCAACQBgIAABHAA Thread-topic: Dev Tools 9 missing Folks, > On 11 Dec 2018, at 11:01, Michael Crawford <mike(a)soggywizards.com> wrote: > I wasn't griping about the LLVM license. > I wasn't even griping about Apple. It was not my intention to start *any form* of discussion on licensing (IANAL). The “status quo” was that Apple has previously posted the TAPI and clang/llvm components for the xcode toolchain. For those of us who build toolchains, and have an interest in ensuring ABI compatibility between compilers, it would be a tremendous help if these components would continue to be posted It would be great to know the intentions, nothing more was meant by my post than that. (as an aside) It is also the case that tapi itself is a worthy consideration for inclusion into the LLVM project (but that is yet another discussion for a different list) thanks Iain _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Dev Tools 9 missing
by Michael Crawford 11 Dec '18

11 Dec '18

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Re: Dev Tools 9 missing
by Marcus Johnson 11 Dec '18

11 Dec '18

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=YlSUN/O0F/CxLKVN38FEvE1lcT0vKtiNXYTA2PzGNRo=; b=vcjboxNsyiwqeDxJFiMx/n+zwSY2WXQGrfk6cggUwPzTxclfryd6BozrEOMSpSEap5 wzymHvBX3/1YW33EHsk2Ol82yOM/7sltouhmSyY3/T2OppDZGJHYlgkqKLABC24nwk8T 1lladp5OfffN0XYv1VZ0tUVIW7kKwk7jHCNOXg4rAlRup01eytoG4Y2NRVWUykYYpmBh CMS5pO6y/rux0mDp+Z/NIesVPpwZ58J6XMwg+RM0JqPHyEoiYhF1YUm+wbZRyrc4hjn1 fqIF3H7JGLtXqByKwrxpeR0DQflYen82tkO6jdq5QldGFGkBkq/xJMOuf1+Yyu/NeY3N VLDg== You sound paranoid as hell, like a mini RMS. LLVM projects are released under permissive licenses, and pointlessly whining will not change that. Why did you even take the time to write this? > On Dec 11, 2018, at 3:37 AM, Michael Crawford <mike(a)soggywizards.com> wrote: > > While clang, lldb friends are Open Source, their licenses do _not_ > require release of source to derivative works. > > While Apple has been quite a good Open Source citizen, in principle it > is possible for Apple to make proprietary versions of codebases that > do not require source release, and then choose not to release source. > > I hope they don't. > > -- > Mike Crawford > Portland Custom Software Development > mike(a)soggywizards.com > http://soggywizards.com > +1 (971) 386-3996 > > Soggy Jobs Is Hiring! > Now accepting applications for interviews starting March 12, 2019 > with April 8 start date. > http://soggy.jobs/crowdfunding/2018/08/21/ > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/bumblebritches57%40gmail… > > This email sent to bumblebritches57(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Dev Tools 9 missing
by Michael Crawford 11 Dec '18

11 Dec '18

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=soggywizards-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=41wSf2ApVHEn0FN5kX0uG7r1bhIKPtHjn03owhwJ58E=; b=TLhPtZDxDEhXgx9BmrjWWiVLDDoYRIkYIXuqHnT2DWG5cmwhcMbLL0e0/yYef4ngvA HpTdD0Fv/14qYp4Ez3zvktn2WzLpS4UaPOMVKJUxbI629EYSHVePEHc4M3pW9a2mTUdm GrE7WG4gscgkBNDBwojm9aZsLyOl7PqifccYJs1eoAKqpWXBSjJsdtvoCynHq8zdlGyO UPF50Qgtx5RJ0/B9wdCmCGrG9Tn/s/7tPod06lJiIdOdH6gKaDnFb4dxJp5d/Vb02Jph Kp8Hpa+46rIZ+WGiLBmZsPr9XMyWsGGBNzcFmaBG6HEu9XbfeyRV/Jkq8hwCocjpsazk 5Nzw== While clang, lldb friends are Open Source, their licenses do _not_ require release of source to derivative works. While Apple has been quite a good Open Source citizen, in principle it is possible for Apple to make proprietary versions of codebases that do not require source release, and then choose not to release source. I hope they don't. -- Mike Crawford Portland Custom Software Development mike(a)soggywizards.com http://soggywizards.com +1 (971) 386-3996 Soggy Jobs Is Hiring! Now accepting applications for interviews starting March 12, 2019 with April 8 start date. http://soggy.jobs/crowdfunding/2018/08/21/ _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Dev Tools 9 missing
by Software Developer 10 Dec '18

10 Dec '18

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bt1383820pop.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-sandoeacoustics-co-uk01e; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=IdcJDfPVK50MIyRrDTRZ70di8EfrJDPE9Sl6qsVBfdk=; b=MQRTtLxrZVMKND/epA+1r69/0T5Tvf/n1HmEJjqXMhAywud3j94PN09NR4F+n6GDGUjjQG6bvJUBKNtTdMk1VCD2WHHl0QA1lCLAHwirY0D9vYZ9tjAa6+IfVsRzGUIa4lNrBzqKTsY/xKuY+U4xISyEkNgovwTYc9RVs7O7qo4= Spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 Thread-index: AQHUkG+38LV1P42G5UWGrXBnH+QV9Q== Thread-topic: Dev Tools 9 missing Hi Folks, (now with the subscribed email address) > On 21 Aug 2018, at 20:38, Clifford Sekel <insanedarwin(a)pd-devs.org> wrote: > > Yeah I hope they do release them soon cause I know the llvm-core in the 10.13 > list is outdated and from 10.12.6. Apple what’s up with Xcode ? > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 4:46 PM Iain Sandoe <idsandoe(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >> On 13 May 2018, at 04:38, Clifford Sekel <insanedarwin(a)pd-devs.org> wrote: >> >> Any news on Xcode Dev tools for 9.x not being posted on opensource.apple.com >> for Clang and MakeOSFiles? I've emailed Apple Open Source email and haven't >> received a response on the issue. > > +1 this has been an unusually long delay for the 9 series … It was great to see the 9.x and 10.0 Xcode dev tools posted, thanks! However, * the “tapi” component needed for ld64 is still listed as “coming soon” (one month later) * for 8.3 to 9.0 there’s no tapi component listed (does it still use 1-30?) * there’s no clang component listed after 8.3 (not even a “coming soon” entry)? Is there any news on the tapi, or any comment on the clang entry? thanks Iain _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.ap… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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