site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev@lists.apple.com Cheers, John On Jan 1, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Steve Checkoway wrote: On Jan 1, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Michael Smith wrote: Sometime or other, Steve Checkoway <s@pahtak.org> wrote: Closing the clamshell is an explicit instruction from the user to sleep the system. -- Steve Checkoway "Anyone who says that the solution is to educate the users hasn't ever met an actual user." -- Bruce Schneier _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/john_scheiderer%40mac.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.appl... This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com Is there a way to make my computer wake up when the battery is dead, unplugged from power and the lid is closed? :-) (just joking) Now that I've deleted a bunch of emails on this topic, if I close the lid on my computer, I expect it to sleep, just like most people do. The 80% rule applies here on feature/functionality. The horse is dead, and now has flies. On Jan 1, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Michael Smith wrote: I don't buy this. Other laptops running other operating systems (Windows and Linux are the two that I've seen) can handle closing the laptop without sleeping. Windows != Linux != Mac OS X. I did not ever claim that was the case. Please do not misrepresent me. However, it is now the case that all three of these operating systems can run on the same hardware and two of the three can do something that Mac OS X cannot. It's as simple as that. This has wandered quite a bit off the original topic at this point, and become another one of those "I don't care what anyone else thinks, I reckon it should do <blah>" threads. You're right, from the very beginning, you've said "here's my reason this is a bad idea" and I think the reason you gave was poor. You belittled others' opinions and reasons for wanting such a feature. Saying "this is how it's always been done," while accurate neither helps anyone nor explains why it is a good idea and changing it is inherently bad, as you apparently think you've made clear. You have offered no technical reasons why this is a bad idea and have contributed nothing to this thread except your opinion, which you've made abundantly clear, as usual. This email sent to john_scheiderer@mac.com smime.p7s