site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev@lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lavabit; d=lavabit.com; b=sLv8XEcknQbG8CBkfwKlv+CtZjwpqBTwbCxHl24ludACyQ0tkKFBh8GGuDkNpuo16GhLeo6OspvMDrsYrhFUhyqRPK6Wh5pgJVgX19z5JMT9Kg5u7kxr0RdBuW7Dw5c1qvOovAz7wOAGfjRSmegJkAvD9U3HOOEh5GmHizVte4Q=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; User-agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 useful reply of a samsåraputra.
Please stop responding to nonsense and it will go away.
Oh shit, broke my own rule.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Dave Schroeder <das@doit.wisc.edu> wrote:
1. Your posts make little sense, and are rambling in nature.
2. Asking "does such-and-such OS contain government backdoors" -- as if that is somehow even answerable -- is a troll almost by definition. (The ObjC response was as relevant as it could get.)
3. Your "first question" is never going to be answered, because no one here knows if there are any unknown/undiscovered backdoors, placed intentionally or otherwise, in Darwin. Also, if there are "backdoors" in any OS, government or otherwise, it's unlikely you'll find them by asking on a public mailing list.
Please stop posting nonsense unless you have a legitimate question.
- Dave
On Jan 5, 2011, at 6:44 PM, vincenzi@lavabit.com wrote:
it's inefficient when the first question is not answered (references for ObjC cod'ing... which apparently are not needed).
i could care less if someone thinks i'm just troll'ing. and i identify more with elves.
too much ego, too much machine; too few hacking, too few helping... (not directed at anyone in particular).
my response to samsårapuras is just a flanger noise reduction for my mind...
and the enSUI project has being just digitalized, but with such "help" i may just patent it.
On Jan 5, 2011, at 18:33 , vincenzi@lavabit.com wrote:
finally an answer, i don't need to know ObjC for my project. so C
it is
(as i said... much earlier, i know Java and a little of C++ and ASKED for a reference to read and study, but got NO reply).
cross posting at a web forum? was that some form of joke? i was just suggesting that this mailing list will be better as a web forum (Vanilla works nice).
Vincent/Esteban/Stephan/Whatever,
I think the problem is that your posts generally do not make a lot of sense and seem to be more about your political views/opinions than anything to do with a technical development mailing list for Darwin.
For instance, most people on this list honestly couldn't care less if you relocate to Mountain View or if you relocate to Milan or what you want to call yourself today, since it all has very little (read:nothing) to do with Darwin development.
As for your project, it's not actually very clear what you're doing or what you really need help with. We did answer the couple of actual Darwin-related development questions you asked, but mostly ignored the other inane rantings.
Also, your questions themselves often seem muddled and quite trollish. If they're genuine development-related questions, I apologize for most of us, but given your history on this list posting political statements and attempting to ignite discussion here regarding such statements, it's hard to treat a question like 'What backdoors have governments put into Darwin?' as a real question and not an attempt to start another political debate. Finally, you seem to be missing a key understanding of the difference between Mac OS X and Darwin when you ask some of your questions. For example, what Mail and the Keychain Access applications may or may not do are not really relevant since neither are included with Darwin. Also, since you have full access to the source, you can reasonably set the trust properties of your Cert Authorities in your home-spun OS/Window Manager thing. You can even do this in Mac OS X if you feel the urge to do so, it just comes pre-loaded with appropriate top-level trust certs so that you can do such basic things as browse the web.
Anyway, most people here are quite knowledgeable and helpful for real Darwin-related engineering questions. If you just do a quick perusal of this list over the past year or so, however, you'll see that you rarely actually ask such questions and you're often asked by people who try to be helpful at first to either remain on-topic or to stop posting. I suggest you take that advice, this is not a political debate forum nor is this a forum for creating the next best user experience, it's simply a Darwin engineering forum. If you want to discuss those other topics, take your own advice and find a nice web forum that does so.
> Le 5 janv. 2011 à 23:48, Stephen J. Butler a écrit : > >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Axel Luttgens
<luttgens@fusl.ac.be>
>> wrote: >>> Either some posts didn't arrive in my mailbox, or some of them were >>> off-list. Anyway, I'm lost... >>> What are we speaking about? ;-) >> >> He wants us to tell him where all the backdoors are in the kernel, >> because he doesn't know ObjC. Except we told him there aren't any >> known backdoors, the kernel isn't ObjC, and if he wanted a security >> audit he'd have to do it himself. >> >> The rest of these posts have been rather unintelligible attempts at >> cross posting an OT discussion to a web forum. I wish he'd just >> stop... > > Thanks Stephen. > I'm now a bit reassured. :-) > Axel
Yeah, don't worry, Axel, you haven't really missed anything of value.
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