Last one, I promise! Just checked on a friends 10.3.5 system and the issue with a zombie processes process fields being nulled out (like ppid, uid, etc) has been fixed. Not sure when this happened, but it was somewhere between 10.2.6 (Darwin 6.6) and 10.3.5 (Darwin 7.5). So if you see a zombie process with a PPID of '0', upgrade, and that little issue will go away (ie. it will show the real PID of the parent, not '0'). Cheers, -- stix _______________________________________________ darwin-development mailing list | darwin-development@lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-development Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. On Wednesday, Sep 1, 2004, at 23:03 Australia/Sydney, Justin Walker wrote: At the risk of prolonging this thread beyond its useful life, I've cobbled up a small C program that illustrates what I've been talking about (appended to this mail).