site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev@lists.apple.com On Aug 17, 2006, at 3:33 PM, Mark F. Murphy wrote: o No instant gratification from Apple on open source o Mistakes are made - Dave _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.appl... This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com At 3:15 PM -0500 8/17/06, Dave Schroeder wrote: Kevin, you know this is not directed at individuals at Apple. I'm grateful for what you do. But I (and I'm sure you, too) do wish that Apple would devote more resources on the open source front, especially given how it talks it up from a marketing standpoint, if it's really difficult for those of you who work on it to keep up with it. The assertion that Apple doesn't have enough resources seems to be based on a couple of implied assumptions: Well, I don't think I meant to make that assertion myself. Kevin said "we do what we can", and I think it's pretty well known that he's pretty much the only person doing the open source packaging and distribution and support, and that's when he has the time to do it. I also think that it would be nice to make the Darwin stuff a two-way proposition, like OpenDarwin intended, allowing contributions back in from the community; maybe Mac OS Forge will be able to do some of that as time goes on. But all of these things take resources, in terms of time, equipment, and management. You'll get no disagreement from me that managing an entire OS (that now has two main trees no less, for now), plus the open source distribution of all of the applicable components, is daunting. But Apple's a reasonably big company, and can certainly provide commensurate resources to the open source area. I do welcome and applaud Apple's recent moves with regard to the iCal Server, Bonjour, xnu x86 source, and so on, as well as the establishment of Mac OS Forge. Perhaps the idea that OpenDarwin could do what it intended was too optimistic...I, however, am still optimistic that open source can be more of a two-way street with Apple, with the only channel back not only being the black hole that Bug Reporter sometimes is for outsiders. I also hope that since Mac OS Forge is more under Apple's wing than even OD ever was means some of these things can happen. smime.p7s