site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev@lists.apple.com On Dec 31, 2007, at 8:29 AM, Amanda Walker <amanda@alfar.com> wrote: Note that these instructions *do not prevent sleep*, which is what Andrew was asking about.

From this it seems reasonable to assume that "waking up with the lid closed and an external display attached" is a different case from "don't go to sleep when the lid is closed."

This is correct. = Mike What is missing here is an understanding of the basic principle driving the system's behaviour in this case: if the user tells the system to do something, it should do it. It should not argue, quibble, lie or misrepresent itself. It should do what it's told in a timely and consistent fashion. If the user does not want the system to sleep, the user *should*not*tell*the*system*to*sleep*. It might be reasonable to ask Apple for a preference which dissociates closing the lid from the act of putting the system to sleep, although I would strongly expect that this would be refused for several sensible reasons, but it is *not* reasonable to ask for a programmatic way to subvert the user's intent in the fashion the OP desires. p.s. If you wonder why such a preference would probably be refused, examine the Apple support forums and other web archives for complaints from users relating to systems that fail (due to bugs or hardware issues) to sleep when expected, and add the likely incidence of user error and malicious/incompetent/well-meaning-but-wrong-headed programmatic manipulation of the preference to the number you encounter. The result would not be pretty. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.appl... This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com