site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev@lists.apple.com User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 Dear Jean-Daniel, Right! An Apple hater. GET A LIFE! Shalom, John B. Brown. [jbb@vcn.com] 358 High Street, Buffalo, Wyoming 82834 "Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes" Mahatma Gandhi "If any question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied." Rudyard Kipling "A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a crook." Bertolt Brecht "I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain And so what ? Anyway Apple is moving away gcc by developing a closed proprietary compiler call clang. Hum wait, my bad, clang is OpenSource and released under the BSD license. Just out of curiosity, can you tell me how an apple hater end on an Apple developer mailing list ? Le 11 mai 2010 à 21:12, John B Brown a écrit : Dear Folk, I do believe the first clue to the general lie that Apple supports a legitimate port of the GNU compiler system is the fact that Apple has not ported Glibc to the Mac OS. DUH! On 5/11/10 12:15 PM, David Leimbach wrote: Reading documentation is bullshit too! On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Mo McRoberts<mo@nevali.net> wrote: On 11-May-2010, at 19:00, John B Brown wrote: Dear Folk, has screwed up the C and GNU compiler system. This is NOT porting, it is pulling a SUN; call it standard but make it proprietary. The framework-supporting extensions have been part of GCC for, literally, years. I might be wrong, but I’m pretty sure they were part of the enhancements which NeXT contributed back to the GCC project as part of support for Objective-C. It just happens that GCC only enables this functionality when built for Darwin, but it’s part of the mainline source (indeed, there have been plenty of people over the years asking if it can be enabled on other platforms, too). In this case, looking in framework paths for headers is a pretty straightforward backwards-compatible enhancement. Not exactly “pure BULLSHIT”, whichever way you look at it. You don’t ignore the workings of the C and GNU compilers (which in many cases are one and the same — clang behaves the same way, though, for obvious reasons); you just RTFM when developing on the platform and be aware that the compilers do more on Darwin than they do on other systems. There are *dozens* of platform-specific aspects to the GNU Compiler System and Binutils. Are they all bullshit, too? M. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/leimy2k%40gmail.com This email sent to leimy2k@gmail.com Shalom, John B. Brown. [jbb@vcn.com] 358 High Street, Buffalo, Wyoming 82834 "Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes" Mahatma Gandhi "If any question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied." Rudyard Kipling "A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a crook." Bertolt Brecht "I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/devlists%40shadowlab.org -- Jean-Daniel _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.appl... As I said before, stop wasting bandwidth. Open source means open portability. How does adopting a "very special version" of gcc or anything else met those specs? On 5/11/10 1:18 PM, Jean-Daniel Dupas wrote: I see that, in addition to screwing up other GNU utilities, Apple In order to write and compile C code on an Apple you must ignore the workings of the C and GNU compilers and use a proprietary Apple system. That is pure BULLSHIT! This email sent to devlists@shadowlab.org This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com