site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev@lists.apple.com On Feb 17, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Andrew Pinski wrote: This is a joke really because it was rushed by management and the software is no where near ready. Look at the compiler for an example, Apple did not update to a newer version of GCC during that time which means they are behind in speed in general anyways. Projects got pushed back because of this switch. An example is the move to dwarf2 debugging and multiple other things. Nine months is not enough time to do a proper release of any kind of big software as Mac OS X. -- Pinski A GCC developer which gets little credit from Apple for keeping GCC working on Darwin (even on x86 lately). -mb _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.appl... Nine months of really hard work by the folks at Apple, who rightly decided that it was more important to deliver a kick-ass x86 operating system than to spend forever trying to package the sources for third-party consumption. Apple has to do what's best for Apple overall. I'm in a similar position- I work with a lot of the IT centric segments of Apple's market, and we have a very specific set of needs that doesn't always align with Apple's vision of its own roadmap. The Intel transition could have been handled differently there, in a way that was easier for IT customers to plan for and deal with. This doesn't mean it was handled badly- just that there's room for improvement. And some of the things that could have made it easier (keeping the PPC iMac in production longer, for instance) might have (and I'm only guessing here) detracted from Apple's overall goals somehow. It takes years of careful advocacy to get Apple to broaden its focus even a little bit. That's somewhat unfortunate but in this case I can only assume Apple had specific goals that were more important to it organizationally than dwarf2 debugging. Apple did a great job of bringing a consumer platform to market. I'm assuming that's what they set out to do. I certainly hope we see a source release soon. I am specifically ansey about booter.efi. My customers need to know how that thing works. This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com