site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com User-agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) Michael L Torrie wrote: Have you contacted any redhat developers about this issue? Under the terms of the GPL, you have legal access to the patch that fixes this bug. Not sure what you mean by that last statement. If Apple doesn't owe the open source community anything, then does the community owe apple anything? Ultimately, like I said, Apple is a cathedral, and I expect cathedral-like behavior from them. I had hoped, based on experiences with other OSS vendors, that it would be different. That was all I was really trying to say. -Gary _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.appl... I can download their kernel source for any major releases they make. So that's not the issue, really. I am curious, however, as to why they'd bother to obfuscate it in bugzilla. No, you said it quite well. And I imagine my response to that portion of the discussion was more to the original poster. Your cathedral example is a perfect one -- it's an historical analogy mentioned several times in Steven Levy's Hackers re IBM vs. DEC per their corporate culture. IBM was more like a priesthood in which their secrets were guarded closely with an almost religious-like zeal. DEC, on the other hand, invited feedback and was more friendly to hardware and OS hacking. This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com