site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 11:15 -0700, Gary wrote:

Michael L Torrie wrote:

Red Hat is just as guilty of hiding their dirty laundry. Take this for example:

[PATCH] read() sometimes crashes in the second pthread_set_canceltype call (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=130926)

This is a major 2.4 linux kernel patch that fixes a serious flaw in the POSIX threading library in RH Enterprise Linux 2.1 -- an OS that's been around for a few years now. Strangely enough, even when logged in to my Red Hat bugzilla account, I'm told that I am not authorized to access that particular bug ID.

Tis true. However none of Apple's bug system is open at all to my account. RedHat does need to get their act together on this also. Apple is not the only guilty one, just more guilty. Have you contacted any redhat developers about this issue? Under the terms of the GPL, you have legal access to the patch that fixes this bug.

You are forgetting that Apple, HP, IBM, SGI, Sun Microsystems, Intel, nVidia, ATI, VIA, Red Hat, Novell, etc. are all businesses that sell highly competitive products and will continue to do anything to stay in business and make money for themselves and shareholders -- even if it is under the guise of allegedly contributing to the open source community. I can't deny that some of these companies have contributed significiantly to the open source community -- some more than others -- but one shouldn't be surprised when they hold their cards close to their chest. I would imagine that Sun is going to face similar challenges with Open Solaris. Who's going to want to give freely to a project that is unlikely to give much back?

Not sure what you mean by that last statement. If Apple doesn't owe the open source community anything, then does the community owe apple anything? Ultimately, like I said, Apple is a cathedral, and I expect cathedral-like behavior from them. I had hoped, based on experiences with other OSS vendors, that it would be different. That was all I was really trying to say.

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