site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev@lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject :mime-version:date:references:x-mailer; bh=TJZI0llVDtm6FVTYcqpdouR7dMAxBhFy1FMObrjuwj8=; b=K8/DXkvZpI5z7asDToyEG2UjA4s8PxMT/MygImGAbk8lPhK20RXZfc2SjdvRxEVTK0 NHa1r4p4ObqkpnfmfYjFCEp0a9lN2qJ4W36Z/u1FwKo3iUe5liCVvnLKMNcpKHwO0fQE vmNShtWsr2GVKSGXTxn7WyAgVrqAvcVnDTcQM= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:mime-version:date:references :x-mailer; b=bCHrdHEJSQv+BpAwUVu8C5+KasG6Oqb0knrKWpxdOp9TbJDPj8p9pEvQbpWMwqmzlu t48nqvXEPk0irS6ESVWgkzioRmgaYP+5tTIzfMd6JwVSc99NvuqqWsimkkBJbJFN36fc X9W15B8LmVLitzAXr7lPm6VY5X0yd3MIawM7w= On Jul 20, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Esteban Bodigami wrote: yeah, "shoot the messenger". 2009/7/20 Joel Reymont <joelr1@gmail.com> May I make voice a thought? This will be my only message to/about Esteban's messages. First, the political messages are entirely inappropriate for this list. Eli _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.appl... The less people are going to reply to the nonsense spewed by Esteban, the more encouragement he's gonna have to discuss technical bits truly relevant to the list. Second, "messenger" implies that there is some group of people that you just being the front man for (either selected by them or self- selected). Code-wise, English has become the de-facto "language" for programming in, particularly for open-source projects. Not American English. Not US Army English. Just English. It's not exclusive, but it certainly has the most widespread support. Third, there may be a couple of other people interested in your idea to fork the darwin code base to localize the code itself, they have to realize that these forks would dead before they start, simply because there is nobody running systems that could run programs coded against these forks. While MacOS X is based on the code that Apple releases, you can't even recompile and use what Apple releases and have the GUI part of MacOS X still work on top of it. You're best bet for doing something that will be usable by non-English people would be to produce localized documentation for whatever API's your interested in. It'll be difficult to keep up to date with Apple's revisions, but way easier and more useful than forking the code itself. Fourth, renaming/localizing unix cli tools. Most of the common tools aren't even using english names, just abbreviations of english words/ phrases that were used by CS grads 30 years ago, so learning them is just as difficult for current english-speaking people that it is for non-english-speakers (except perhaps for having more books in English explaining the tools). The Unix standard's body is unlikely to be at all receptive to renaming any of the existing tools, even to better English names, let alone having localized names for tools, so you'll have to do it with alias's or something like that, and you are free to produce a script file to do this or create soft-links or wrapper tools to call through to the original ones or to create a new tool that duplicates some or all of the functionality of existing tools. If anybody finds your work useful, they will use it. If lots and lots of people find it useful, your work may even be picked up (depending on how it's licensed) by Apple or any of the Linux/UNIX vendors. But the work you have proposed on this list really doesn't seem (IMHO) like something that will gain much adoption, outside of your home. This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com