site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev@lists.apple.com On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Andrew James <semaja2@gmail.com> wrote: Ill try those other mailing lists, and id like to remind everybody the solution exists to a extent as i am a developer of Insomnia and InsomniaX. However i would just like to take this back to basics and see if anyone can cover the biggest problem. So if everybody can forget just for a second of the main goal, the mission at the moment is to find a way to receive the notification of the lid state changing that does not mix up with the power state changes. No, this is not what you are trying to do at all. Are you terribly surprised that nobody wants to help you? = Mike _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.appl... What you are trying to do is establish a new mode of operation for the system; one that is currently explicitly precluded. Current Apple portables are *not* designed to run without cooling; the Intel chipset generates too much heat even in its lowest power mode for the system to survive operation without airflow. As a consequence, what you are trying to do is to define a mode of operation that is simply not safe; once the clamshell is closed, users will assume the system can be put into a bag or under a pile of stuff with no ventilation, and it will overheat. Certain Apple portables do support running with the clamshell closed, but with other constraints applied that make it clear that the user intends for the system to be awake and that more or less require that it have adequate access to cooling (keyboard attached, external monitor attached, explicit wakeup after the clamshell is closed). The consequences of overheating include emergency system shutdown (the most common and intended response to thermal distress), but can also include accelerated aging of components (backlight, fixed and optical disks, display, cosmetic surfaces) and more subtle effects. The system is designed to deal with being overheated occasionally and accidentally, but not as a routine matter of course, which is what your new mode of operation will facilitate. This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com