site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev@lists.apple.com Cheers, -- M. Uli Kusterer http://www.zathras.de _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.appl... On 14.05.2007, at 18:56, Dan Shoop wrote: Moreover since it affects the stability of the OS, and isn't anywhere ready for prime time nor is it likely to ever be ready for production, again in part b/c by nature it's a userspace "thingie", this would still be anathema. Why would you assert that it'll never be ready for production "by nature"??? MacFUSE is a facility to move dangerous code out of the Kernel into user space, where it can't do as much damage. The same way one could demand that the whole connection to user space should be taken out of the Kernel because it doesn't really do anything in the Kernel. I mean it's a nice thought, but given that it's supposed to be userspace, that the kernel and core OS are quite clearly kernel- and system-space, that it's not prime time ready, currently and probably always unstable by nature, and always going to be more appropriately implemented at a user level that it doesn't belong as part of the systems. FUSE *is* the User-Space-Kernel bridge you're looking for. The actual file systems may be a different story, but MacFUSE really is something that should be a Kernel service. It would even improve responsibility on the system. Just look what happens when you mount an FTP server in Finder, or a WebDAV server, and how it pretty much freezes the entire system's file I/O with the spinning beach ball because everyone is waiting for that FTP or DAV call to return, even those that just wanted to know what volumes are available. Don't get me wrong, MacFUSE is great, but it's experimental at best, at least currently. I agree it's pretty new, but flat-out stating it will never be ready for prime-time is arrogant, especially considering who the people working on this thing are, and that they're employed by one of the pickiest employers out there. This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com