site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-dev@lists.apple.com Cheers, M sorry but the base BSD is not secret ... it's not the subject of my project request and i 'm very happy we don't work together ... I just used it to try to stay polished second : there is no secret in dev , just work I am afraid you are incorrect. yep i know , and i know well xnu we could find a serious way it's like APCI , folks cry ... and cry 1 - the standard is "open" 2 - FreeBSD project has implemented this standard 3 - Linux project has implemented this standard then it seems there is something wrong ... it's not that i ask : it's make a "parallel" work and i understand well the Apple view it 's a problem of confidence and quality " Rome ne s'est pas faite en un jour " _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-dev mailing list (Darwin-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-dev/site_archiver%40lists.appl... I apologize if I angered you in some way but I don't really understand what you said- do you use some web translation tool? Perhaps you didn't understand what I said either. To be clear, Apple claims that the Darwin project is open source project when, in fact, the processes behind the development of the project are absolute secrets. Therefore, to make any contribution to the Darwin project, you are one of the following: 1) an Apple employee 2) contributing a small, self-contained patch 2) someone that can anticipate Apple's next move before they make it, thereby saving Apple development time and money BSD and Darwin are not the same thing - I am sure you know that. If you're talking about contributing to any of the BSDs, that is fine. However, there is no easy or traditional way for normal people to contribute changes to Darwin (and thus Mac OS X). If you are proposing to create such a way, I wish you the best of luck. The OpenDarwin project tried to do just that and failed after six years, even when numerous people from Apple itself were involved. i'm sorry but opendarwin just tried with students and a few few real devs and it was the problem before building a port system try to improve the base system , drivers , sound layer ... with a serious opensource foundation , It is a true statement to say that things related to Darwin itself and open source projects at Apple are secret. This does not allow others to contribute changes, because they do not have access to the details of the development in a collaborative way. Best Regards {|} This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com