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Re: pf in 10.4?
by perdurabo 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

Thanks, Justin. I was just curious. Good to see you still "curmudgeoning along" on the lists. I'll stay out of the rest of the thread, yeesh. ~ per On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:09:27 -0700, Justin Walker <justin(a)mac.com> wrote: > On Jul 8, 2004, at 11:27, OpenMacNews wrote: > > >> Apple does not, as a rule, announce its plans for future products, > >> and they will definitely not discuss them on a mailing list, until > >> those plans are public. > [snip] > > beating this dead horse is a waste of time ... apple will announce > > *what* they choose if/when they choose > > duh. > > > and not include you in the discussion ... > > They often include people in the discussion, but it doesn't happen on > mailing lists. It happens, for example, if you are a developer and > signed up to take part in seed programs; or if you are a customer and > have a requirement. They may not listen to whining on these lists, or > to voices in the wilderness, but they certainly listen. > > > > Regards, > > Justin > > -- > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * > Institute for General Semantics | "Weaseling out of things is > what > | separates us from the animals. > | Well, except the weasel." > | - Homer J Simpson > *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com > Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: pf in 10.4?
by Justin Walker 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

On Jul 8, 2004, at 11:27, OpenMacNews wrote: Apple does not, as a rule, announce its plans for future products, and they will definitely not discuss them on a mailing list, until those plans are public. [snip] beating this dead horse is a waste of time ... apple will announce *what* they choose if/when they choose duh. and not include you in the discussion ... They often include people in the discussion, but it doesn't happen on mailing lists. It happens, for example, if you are a developer and signed up to take part in seed programs; or if you are a customer and have a requirement. They may not listen to whining on these lists, or to voices in the wilderness, but they certainly listen. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | "Weaseling out of things is what | separates us from the animals. | Well, except the weasel." | - Homer J Simpson *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: pf in 10.4?
by OpenMacNews 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

Apple does not, as a rule, announce its plans for future products, and they will definitely not discuss them on a mailing list, until those plans are public. product roadmap anyone? for ~$100 ... used, headless PC (~300 MHz) 3 100bT ethernet cards/ports (to set up as a transparent bridge, with a mgmt interface) any flavor of Linux or BSD fwbuilder your choice of ipfw2, pf, iptables, ipf ... as either kernel mods or extensions IDS tools galore (snort, branyard, acid, etc.) ... and you have a very flexible, remotely configurable, standalone, enterprise class firewall/gateway box beating this dead horse is a waste of time ... apple will announce *what* they choose if/when they choose, and not include you in the discussion ... richard _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: pf in 10.4?
by Stephan Lichtenauer 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

Am 08.07.2004 um 19:15 schrieb perdurabo: Are there any tentative plans to replace ipfw with the OpenBSD project's pf in 10.4, as the FreeBSD projects is reportedly doing in 5.3? As far as I remember somebody from Apple said that the firewall in 10.4 is based on ipfw2, so I doubt it for this version. Stephan _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: pf in 10.4?
by OpenMacNews 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

Are there any tentative plans to replace ipfw with the OpenBSD project's pf in 10.4, as the FreeBSD projects is reportedly doing in 5.3? Thanks, ~ per i've asked a similar question over the past year or so ... answer seems to be "we're looking into ipfw2", and that's it. just fyi: personally, i finally gave up w/ ipfw vs. stateful rules on Mac, and lack of support/info. bought a Linksys WRT54G linux-core wireless router for $59, installed Sveasoft's firmware upgrade, and used Vadim Kurland's (www.fwbuilder.org) fwbuilder2 (still in very late beta ... soon to be released). up & running w/ a stateful, multi-vlan, graphically configured, and auto-installed iptables firewall in "an hour or so" (once some of the beta bugs were ironed out ... they're fixed & gone, now). plus, support from both firewall builder & sveasoft is fabulous/responsive, AND 'gobs' of info available on iptables makes this a dream! richard _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: pf in 10.4?
by Justin Walker 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

On Jul 8, 2004, at 10:15, perdurabo wrote: Are there any tentative plans to replace ipfw with the OpenBSD project's pf in 10.4, as the FreeBSD projects is reportedly doing in 5.3? Apple does not, as a rule, announce its plans for future products, and they will definitely not discuss them on a mailing list, until those plans are public. Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | "Weaseling out of things is what | separates us from the animals. | Well, except the weasel." | - Homer J Simpson *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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pf in 10.4?
by perdurabo 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

Are there any tentative plans to replace ipfw with the OpenBSD project's pf in 10.4, as the FreeBSD projects is reportedly doing in 5.3? Thanks, ~ per _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: Regarding Kernel Code Coverage
by Justin Walker 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

On Jul 7, 2004, at 23:30, Manjunath wrote: On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 10:05, Justin Walker wrote: On Jul 7, 2004, at 3:20, Manjunath wrote: [snip] On linux we have Kernel Code Coverage Analysis where in we can measure how much of the kernel code is run during a test. GCC provides the code coverage at user level program if program is compiled with certain flags. On a similar basis can we get Code coverage for the kernel on Mac. I don't know that we have any tools that have been used for code coverage. What tools do you use to get code coverage data for the linux kernel? Regards, Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * Institute for General Semantics | If you're not confused, | You're not paying attention *--------------------------------------*-------------------------------* _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: FSMakeFSSpec, FSpMakeFSRef, FSRefMakePath
by Paul Russell 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

On Jul 7, 2004, at 9:49 AM, Krishna Monian wrote: I am trying to use the above function to generate the path for a given file. However I am facing the following problem. When I use call FSMakeFSSpec with the default vRef(0), the directory ID that I am interested in and 0 for the filename, the path is generated correctly. However, if I specify a filename which is present in the directory whose directory ID I pass in, it fails with -35 as the error code. Could anyone tell me what the reason behind this could be? Is there some special format for specifying the file name or is it just a null terminated string? If you look at the prototype you will see that the file name is a ConstStr255Param, which is a Pascal string, not a C string. Paul _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: Regarding Kernel Code Coverage
by Manjunath 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 10:05, Justin Walker wrote: > On Jul 7, 2004, at 3:20, Manjunath wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to find the code coverage for kernel. Is it possible to > > find > > kernel code coverage for Darwin Kernel? > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. Usually, 'coverage' is determined > by running a program against the source. Typically, doing this on > kernel code is problematic, but I have seen related discussions on the > FreeBSD lists. > > Can you be more specific about what you want? > > Regards, > > Justin > > -- > Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large * > Institute for General Semantics | When LuteFisk is outlawed > | Only outlaws will have > | LuteFisk On linux we have Kernel Code Coverage Analysis where in we can measure how much of the kernel code is run during a test. GCC provides the code coverage at user level program if program is compiled with certain flags. On a similar basis can we get Code coverage for the kernel on Mac. Regards Manju _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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