i *am* a customer. direct/indirect purchasing control of ~2200 machines, including ~ 200 Macs. i've had LENGTHY, repeated discussion about THIS issue with apple numerous times. sales, support, etc, etc. nothing for ~ two years. given that response, which is wholly within apple's right to choose/control ... there's a really clean solution for *us*. we won't use the macs for anything that requires enterprise-class firewall/gateway functionality. and mention your sparkling attitude every time our apple sales person calls ... duh. _______________________________________________ darwin-kernel mailing list | darwin-kernel@lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/darwin-kernel Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.