Hi, Thanks. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-kernel mailing list (Darwin-kernel@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-kernel/site_archiver%40lists.... This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com I'm actually a FreeBSD user, I use it on my normal laptop as desktop OS. I have some questions about Darwin and FreeBSD. Darwin has FreeBSD userland and now FreeBSD began adopting LLVM/Clang, both have the same shells available, csh, tcsh, bash and ksh (the last 2 not available as default on FreeBSD), so looking to these high level parts we can think they are the same OS. But the low level components on Darwin are all independent of FreeBSD, like kernel, Mach parts, file system, firmwares, drivers, boot loader and launchd, right or not? Even with all those changes can I consider Darwin still is a BSD? Another question: Are you still contributing with FreeBSD development? I'd like to use launchd to speed up FreeBSD boot process considering I'm just a desktop user. Why you not integrate the Darwin components (not all, bring HFS+ support, firmwares, drivers and boot loader support, probably will make OS X lose your exclusivity and identity, but launchd is a good software to bring and others like hal or consolekit Apple replacements) to BSD family to become them better, at least for desktop? Thus, you are reviving OpenDarwin on top of a well known operating system called FreeBSD. Why not?