site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-kernel@lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iA0XKO/It1BLLudocAryv7a+hFbiLaSf29E7aJ4F6HZLRGaTM84MrYTloR9oRIBa; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Thanks. -Al- On Aug 7, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Terry Lambert wrote: Insufficient information. (4) Other Software (5) Other hardware -- Terry Good luck! -Mike On Aug 7, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Al Ciplickas wrote: Thanks, Mike. So I tried OF at startup and got these lines: bad Bus Info CRC-16 Apple PowerMac8, 2 5.2.5f1 BootROM built on 04/06/05 at 12:46:02 etc. -Al- On Aug 7, 2007, at 1:24 PM, Michael Cashwell wrote: On Aug 7, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Al Ciplickas wrote: This is just my understanding. I have no authoritative data here... -Mike _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-kernel mailing list (Darwin-kernel@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-kernel/site_archiver%40lists.a... OK, these hints are getting me somewhere: 1-I don't have any 3rd party KEXT enabled (that I am aware of). 3-no 3rd party RAM (only the 2 memory modules that Apple installed = 1GB) 4-removed all 'other software' 5-no 'other' hardware. 2-so I opened the case and removed the memory modules, and Swapped them (made sure of seating) -- that seemed to allow the system to stay up. -- other utilities (Apple's) started to crash at random (like SoftwareUpdate and SystemPrefs and AddressBook) -- next, I removed the memory from the front slot (#0?) and now it appears that system and other programs are running well (though a bit slower in response, as expected). -- conclusion so far: I have a bad memory module. It apparently was not found by the startup tests. I appreciate all the opinions and advice that everyone gave. Makes me feel part of a team. The whole panic message is needed, along with version information to even start to diagnose this. In probability order: (1) Third party KEXT not intended for this version of the OS and/or with bug (2) His RAM has come unseated due to vibration/thermal expansion/ whatever other environmental conditions (3) Third party RAM that can't switch it's clock rate back up in spec after it's been clocked down by power management once, or some other issue that is the reason it failed Apple certification He needs to file a bug report with the version of the OS, or just take the thing in for service. A bug report might cost him less (nothing) for some problems, but take longer than paying for service. On Aug 7, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Michael Cashwell wrote: It sure sounds like a motherboard failure. Perhaps someone with more info could decompose the error message further. I doubt that the Genius Bar is setup to do actual component-level diagnostics but they could help with repair. I don't suppose there was any unusual event when this started? Lighting, power surge, etc.? But at least you know at this point that it's a hardware issue and that software updates and rebuilds aren't likely to solve it. Now, I assume the first line is a hint that I have a "bad Bus" somewhere (cpu data bus?). Would the Genius Bar (with an appointment) be able to do any hardware diagnostics? Mike, I'll try the D feature on the CD _if_ I can ever get it to work, but this system is 2 years old. Would the developer MacOS Tiger DVD have the same feature? I do not think so. Each system's diagnostic tool is tightly coupled to that hardware. I've never had any success using anything other than the install/restore disks originally supplied. You might be able to take the machine to a Genius Bar (with an appointment) and they might have the right disks. Can I do anything in the Open Firmware screen to do testing? Not of the sort that the diagnostic tools do. There quite a bit of OF/EFI code being pulled from the disks in those cases that's not present in the boot FLASH. (The disks supply more than just a UI to run the tests.) _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Darwin-kernel mailing list (Darwin-kernel@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/darwin-kernel/tlambert% 40apple.com This email sent to tlambert@apple.com This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com