site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: darwin-kernel@lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xCcliYvE//BYE54anKYaaIHg8/kcJvSlSEyzXb0gguA=; b=frpH53oeHsFX7nAexlR533oQ9W5isy4NlKWb5wHUZEd5PRfqaleAMi9aJ5RtSUVbSM7nvETqPt5qwS+rFscVXOE4eCEmKtCjbatxlqaxeceuSfHDwF5qai/Dorz1BXzqWvJhfb53WmhLHIifypbQJIIlPZecYHzoGylDDJjmOtM= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KTuO+F4LtxZiTB/8AjW1tAlnClZzVbFeorUSI5U9XSpZcf7VzinAQYuwnVVmJf7zGCFYVf1Wbt7NXDqqeM0f1GxKFKRbgIG+hEiMjiXxNkLdkFiUHDre4fnXYWfTzgUGlObFm5S/mvZBmfEYYjhcjtFxNGMRfnB8T2qCavkUmnQ= I 'm just back from the University ave, and I finished configuring my new laptop :), yes pay for testing is quite strange..., but i could say in this story, Solaris doesn't challenge directly the MS desktop, Mac OSX does, i don't think the situation is so bad :) opendarwin should have been the second tree, but people decided to drop the project and succumb to the first difficulty, APSL is not so bad, the license is just not regular or predictable :), at least OpenSolaris is a model in terms of "code" and reactivity... there's a lot of people motivated by this project (since a long time now), but the only opportunity to participe to this "open source project" is to submit RADARS... it's really not fairplay :), "macosforge" is an "apple's vista" success :) -mmw On 10/27/07, Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu> wrote:

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having it, and to kick out their shiny XServes and put some lousy =20 Sun's into their racks just because Apple can't adopt SCTP, and gives =20=

I agree with everything you say. However, please don't denegrate Sun. At least via OpenSolaris, the Sun development process is transparent. Granted, it is somewhat byzantine by tranditional Open Source standards, but at least 3rd party developers have access to the development source and the revision control system. Contrast this to the Apple "Top Secret, everthing under NDA, pay us $500 to try the binary" model. Not to mention that Solaris blows the doors off of Darwin on the same hardware...

Drew

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