October 2006 - Installer-dev

RE: MetaPackage, with SubPackages of size 0 bytes
by Peter Bierman 31 Oct '06

31 Oct '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com -pmb The reason I'm asking is related to what happens when the user uninstalls, then reinstalls the same package. My uninstaller application removes all installed apps, but leaves the original receipt file around. When the user tries to install the same package again, he see Upgrade 0 bytes, but I would like for him to see Upgrade X(Total) bytes. Should I just delete the receipt file as a part of the uninstall, or what is the proper way to do this? I am not currently using version.plist files. Thanks! - Alex -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bierman [mailto:bierman@apple.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:59 AM To: Alex Sheh Cc: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Re: MetaPackage, with SubPackages of size 0 bytes Hi All, I've created a MetaPackage using command-line packagemaker, .pmproj files, and a script to manually copy SubPackages into the MetaPackage. The MetaPackage installs fine, except that the SubPackages are listed as 0 bytes in the GUI. I'm not sure what the cause is - does anyone know how I can fix this? It could be one of two things. Either the distribution script in your metapackage doesn't have size information for the pkg-refs, or your packages are performing an "upgrade" because they've been installed previously, and the installer is subtracting the size of the existing packages. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Yeah, if you're uninstalling the payload yourself, then you can/should also remove the receipt. The upgrade size is computed as the size of the package to be installed, minus the size of the receipt with the same package id. At 12:44 PM -0800 10/31/06, Alex Sheh wrote: Thanks, Peter. It was the latter case (package was installed previously) that resulted in 0 bytes. How exactly is the "upgrade" size computed? At 7:16 PM -0700 10/24/06, Alex Sheh wrote: -pmb This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: MetaPackage, with SubPackages of size 0 bytes
by Stéphane Sudre 31 Oct '06

31 Oct '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On mardi, octobre 31, 2006, at 09:44 PM, Alex Sheh wrote: The reason I'm asking is related to what happens when the user uninstalls, then reinstalls the same package. My uninstaller application removes all installed apps, but leaves the original receipt file around. When the user tries to install the same package again, he see Upgrade 0 bytes, but I would like for him to see Upgrade X(Total) bytes. Should I just delete the receipt file as a part of the uninstall, or what is the proper way to do this? I am not currently using version.plist files. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Thanks, Peter. It was the latter case (package was installed previously) that resulted in 0 bytes. How exactly is the "upgrade" size computed? Removing the receipt files seems to be a good idea in the current OS releases. Check the uninstall perl script for Xcode to see if Apple is doing it on its side. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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RE: MetaPackage, with SubPackages of size 0 bytes
by Alex Sheh 31 Oct '06

31 Oct '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: Acb4YQiaCiegREHdSJyCldEYLJxzvwEy1ZfA Thread-topic: MetaPackage, with SubPackages of size 0 bytes Thanks, Peter. It was the latter case (package was installed previously) that resulted in 0 bytes. How exactly is the "upgrade" size computed? The reason I'm asking is related to what happens when the user uninstalls, then reinstalls the same package. My uninstaller application removes all installed apps, but leaves the original receipt file around. When the user tries to install the same package again, he see Upgrade 0 bytes, but I would like for him to see Upgrade X(Total) bytes. Should I just delete the receipt file as a part of the uninstall, or what is the proper way to do this? I am not currently using version.plist files. Thanks! - Alex -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bierman [mailto:bierman@apple.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:59 AM To: Alex Sheh Cc: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Re: MetaPackage, with SubPackages of size 0 bytes At 7:16 PM -0700 10/24/06, Alex Sheh wrote: >Hi All, >I've created a MetaPackage using command-line packagemaker, .pmproj >files, and a script to manually copy SubPackages into the MetaPackage. >The MetaPackage installs fine, except that the SubPackages are listed >as 0 bytes in the GUI. I'm not sure what the cause is - does anyone >know how I can fix this? It could be one of two things. Either the distribution script in your metapackage doesn't have size information for the pkg-refs, or your packages are performing an "upgrade" because they've been installed previously, and the installer is subtracting the size of the existing packages. -pmb _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re[2]: Finding the current OS language via distributions
by Peter Mulholland 31 Oct '06

31 Oct '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hello Steven, Tuesday, October 31, 2006, 10:04:51 AM, you wrote: > However, there is scope for this installer being integrated into a > main/shell installer too (that is run with "installer.app") as a > Metapackage. In this scenario, the separate application would install it's > contents without providing installation feedback in the main installer's > progress bar. In case the user's guide install size was large, this could > seem like a hang to the user of the main installer. Yep, I've just done a title for a games company where this is an issue. The only content installed by the package itself is the game's .app - the game's data is extracted into the app during postflight using 7-Zip as this was the only way to get it to fit onto CD. We have already had people asking if the installer is hanging as it can take up to 10 minutes for the content to decompress. Our solution to this problem in future, unfortunately, has been to write a custom installer tool. -- Best regards, Peter mailto:darkmatter@freeuk.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Finding the current OS language via distributions
by Steven Lobo 31 Oct '06

31 Oct '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: Acb81AEyP7B2MWjHEduT/QANk6659g== Thread-topic: Finding the current OS language via distributions User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Hi Stéphane: Thanks for the suggestion. This solution would work if my user's guide installer was provided standalone. However, there is scope for this installer being integrated into a main/shell installer too (that is run with "installer.app") as a Metapackage. In this scenario, the separate application would install it's contents without providing installation feedback in the main installer's progress bar. In case the user's guide install size was large, this could seem like a hang to the user of the main installer. Steven On 10/31/06 1:11 AM, "Stéphane Sudre" <ssudre2(a)wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Hmm, in that case, one solution could be to use a small intermediate > application. > > The application would contain the packages in its Resources folder. > > The application would find the appropriate OS language (using the > /var/log/CDIS.custom for instance). > > The application would only open the appropriate package. > > You can make the user believe this is a real package by using a custom > icon. > > This is a similar solution to the ReadMe "text" on the OS Installation > CD. > > On mardi, octobre 31, 2006, at 12:27 AM, Steven Lobo wrote: > >> Yes, unfortunately the help file size is large and is not >> yet bundled help. We are creating an help installer >> infrastructure that various other teams we collaborate with >> can use. There was a suggestion made during WWDC this year >> that we install all language support to a temporary location >> and then copy only the appropriate language files to >> the install location. This is not a practical solution >> for us due to the time taken to install all localizations >> is quite long. >> >> Steven >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stéphane Sudre <ssudre2(a)wanadoo.fr> >> To: Steven Lobo <steven(a)robosoftin.com> >> Cc: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com >> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:24:24 +0100 >> Subject: Re: Finding the current OS language via distributions >> >>> Stupid question of the day: >>> >>> Why not just installing all the languages? >>> >>> Mac OS X is a multi-language OS. This seems to make sense to install >>> all available localizations. Are the PDFs that big? >>> >>> On lundi, octobre 30, 2006, at 05:32 PM, Steven Lobo wrote: >>> >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> I have a Metapackage that installs help PDF's for various language. >>>> Each >>>> package inside the Metapackage contains user help for a specific >>>> language. >>>> >>>> With 10.3, my Metapackage has to currently launch each embedded >>>> package to >>>> determine if that package has to install. This is since there is no >>>> specific >>>> way to launch just the appropriate language package from the >>>> metapackage in >>>> 10.3 that I am aware of. A script in each package determines if the >>>> language >>>> it is supposed to install is the OS language and either >>>> proceeds/stops >>>> it's >>>> install if not. >>>> >>>> I am planning on using a distribution script on 10.4 to launch just >>>> the >>>> require language package and install it's contents. This should >>>> decrease the >>>> install time since I am now launching just 1 package. >>>> >>>> Queries: >>>> ======== >>>> 1. How can I find the current OS language from within the >>>> distribution >>>> script ? >>>> 2. In 10.3, is there any other way for a metapackage to determine >>>> which >>>> package to launch based on the current OS language ? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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Re: Finding the current OS language via distributions
by Stéphane Sudre 31 Oct '06

31 Oct '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com The application would contain the packages in its Resources folder. The application would only open the appropriate package. On mardi, octobre 31, 2006, at 12:27 AM, Steven Lobo wrote: Yes, unfortunately the help file size is large and is not yet bundled help. We are creating an help installer infrastructure that various other teams we collaborate with can use. There was a suggestion made during WWDC this year that we install all language support to a temporary location and then copy only the appropriate language files to the install location. This is not a practical solution for us due to the time taken to install all localizations is quite long. Steven -----Original Message----- From: Stéphane Sudre <ssudre2(a)wanadoo.fr> To: Steven Lobo <steven(a)robosoftin.com> Cc: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:24:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Finding the current OS language via distributions Stupid question of the day: Why not just installing all the languages? Mac OS X is a multi-language OS. This seems to make sense to install all available localizations. Are the PDFs that big? On lundi, octobre 30, 2006, at 05:32 PM, Steven Lobo wrote: Hi: I have a Metapackage that installs help PDF's for various language. Each package inside the Metapackage contains user help for a specific language. ----------------------------------------------- Robosoft Technologies - Come home to Technology _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Hmm, in that case, one solution could be to use a small intermediate application. The application would find the appropriate OS language (using the /var/log/CDIS.custom for instance). You can make the user believe this is a real package by using a custom icon. This is a similar solution to the ReadMe "text" on the OS Installation CD. With 10.3, my Metapackage has to currently launch each embedded package to determine if that package has to install. This is since there is no specific way to launch just the appropriate language package from the metapackage in 10.3 that I am aware of. A script in each package determines if the language it is supposed to install is the OS language and either proceeds/stops it's install if not. I am planning on using a distribution script on 10.4 to launch just the require language package and install it's contents. This should decrease the install time since I am now launching just 1 package. Queries: ======== 1. How can I find the current OS language from within the distribution script ? 2. In 10.3, is there any other way for a metapackage to determine which package to launch based on the current OS language ? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/ vishnuprasad.kodancha%40robosoftin.com This email sent to vishnuprasad.kodancha(a)robosoftin.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Finding the current OS language via distributions
by Steven Lobo 30 Oct '06

30 Oct '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Yes, unfortunately the help file size is large and is not yet bundled help. We are creating an help installer infrastructure that various other teams we collaborate with can use. There was a suggestion made during WWDC this year that we install all language support to a temporary location and then copy only the appropriate language files to the install location. This is not a practical solution for us due to the time taken to install all localizations is quite long. Steven -----Original Message----- From: Stéphane Sudre <ssudre2(a)wanadoo.fr> To: Steven Lobo <steven(a)robosoftin.com> Cc: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:24:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Finding the current OS language via distributions > Stupid question of the day: > > Why not just installing all the languages? > > Mac OS X is a multi-language OS. This seems to make sense to install > all available localizations. Are the PDFs that big? > > On lundi, octobre 30, 2006, at 05:32 PM, Steven Lobo wrote: > > > Hi: > > > > I have a Metapackage that installs help PDF's for various language. > > Each > > package inside the Metapackage contains user help for a specific > > language. > > > > With 10.3, my Metapackage has to currently launch each embedded > > package to > > determine if that package has to install. This is since there is no > > specific > > way to launch just the appropriate language package from the > > metapackage in > > 10.3 that I am aware of. A script in each package determines if the > > language > > it is supposed to install is the OS language and either proceeds/stops > > it's > > install if not. > > > > I am planning on using a distribution script on 10.4 to launch just the > > require language package and install it's contents. This should > > decrease the > > install time since I am now launching just 1 package. > > > > Queries: > > ======== > > 1. How can I find the current OS language from within the distribution > > script ? > > 2. In 10.3, is there any other way for a metapackage to determine which > > package to launch based on the current OS language ? > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/vishnuprasad.kodancha%… > > This email sent to vishnuprasad.kodancha(a)robosoftin.com ----------------------------------------------- Robosoft Technologies - Come home to Technology _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Finding the current OS language via distributions
by Stéphane Sudre 30 Oct '06

30 Oct '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Stupid question of the day: Why not just installing all the languages? On lundi, octobre 30, 2006, at 05:32 PM, Steven Lobo wrote: Hi: Queries: ======== 1. How can I find the current OS language from within the distribution script ? 2. In 10.3, is there any other way for a metapackage to determine which package to launch based on the current OS language ? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Mac OS X is a multi-language OS. This seems to make sense to install all available localizations. Are the PDFs that big? I have a Metapackage that installs help PDF's for various language. Each package inside the Metapackage contains user help for a specific language. With 10.3, my Metapackage has to currently launch each embedded package to determine if that package has to install. This is since there is no specific way to launch just the appropriate language package from the metapackage in 10.3 that I am aware of. A script in each package determines if the language it is supposed to install is the OS language and either proceeds/stops it's install if not. I am planning on using a distribution script on 10.4 to launch just the require language package and install it's contents. This should decrease the install time since I am now launching just 1 package. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Finding the current OS language via distributions
by Steven Lobo 30 Oct '06

30 Oct '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: Acb8QO9TLii5Cmg0EduvaQANk6659g== Thread-topic: Finding the current OS language via distributions User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Hi: I have a Metapackage that installs help PDF's for various language. Each package inside the Metapackage contains user help for a specific language. With 10.3, my Metapackage has to currently launch each embedded package to determine if that package has to install. This is since there is no specific way to launch just the appropriate language package from the metapackage in 10.3 that I am aware of. A script in each package determines if the language it is supposed to install is the OS language and either proceeds/stops it's install if not. I am planning on using a distribution script on 10.4 to launch just the require language package and install it's contents. This should decrease the install time since I am now launching just 1 package. Queries: ======== 1. How can I find the current OS language from within the distribution script ? 2. In 10.3, is there any other way for a metapackage to determine which package to launch based on the current OS language ? Steven ----------------------------------------------- Robosoft Technologies - Come home to Technology _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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script for checking if an application is installed
by Alex Ivanov 30 Oct '06

30 Oct '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zB6tvIkDaWuyW74/s7sDHGTcprY/TVmsVjjWpUq0B4XsbCbnE+GExQcZtrbv1zmA1a6ZRqVmsdW4NKbWrQsUAfzGdCpQFBNCHW/nXsBQ1+71VO8k2v98DrUlY4vBEsmY1Jo78M5BkzlE4y+qE62n5dTSGByhgUsR961yl0PhD9g= ; Hello! I'm trying to make my first Mac package using package-maker and i colud use some help! First I need to find out if another application is installed in order to procede with my own. Could someone please give me an example of a script which does this checking. Thanks, Alex ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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