December 2006 - Installer-dev

Creating Installer Packages from VISE packages
by Harold Spencer Jr. 07 Dec '06

07 Dec '06

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Re: Latest security update & Installer.app?
by Stéphane Sudre 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On mercredi, décembre 6, 2006, at 01:16 AM, Kevin Hoyt wrote: I'm confused... The original poster is hoping for the "death of Admin Authentication" I may need to clarify why I'm glad Admin Authorization is going away. At the beginning, there were 2 authorizations mode: None & Root. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Then, IIRC, Admin authorization arrived with a new nice plist format on Jaguar. Then problems started: when admin authorization was on, some things behaved differently from what was expected (directory permissions not being set correctly on 10.3 when the package is relocatable for instance). Another issue is the confusion introduced by Admin authentication vs Root authentication as it's difficult to sort out which one to use in which case. So far I haven't encountered a package made by Apple and only requiring Admin authentication. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Packagemaker Default Behavour
by Ian Ward Comfort 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com —IWC _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Peter Bierman wrote: At 11:45 AM -0800 12/6/06, Jim Brown wrote: Does anyone know what the default for overwriting existing files is? And where it is controlled in the gui interface? Is there any documentation that describes this? The default is to overwrite existing files. There is no flag to control this, the installer will always overwrite existing files if the installer has the permissions to do so. Sounds like you'll have to resort to a postflight that drops the file into place if it doesn't already exist. Remember to play nice and use the $2 (or $3) variable [1] to determine the correct destination. [1] http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/ Conceptual/SoftwareDistribution/Install_Operations/ chapter_8_section_3.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/10000145i-CH14- DontLinkElementID_9 This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Packagemaker Default Behavour
by Peter Bierman 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com -pmb _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… At 11:45 AM -0800 12/6/06, Jim Brown wrote: Does anyone know what the default for overwriting existing files is? And where it is controlled in the gui interface? Is there any documentation that describes this? The default is to overwrite existing files. There is no flag to control this, the installer will always overwrite existing files if the installer has the permissions to do so. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Packagemaker Default Behavour
by Jim Brown 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Thanks. Jim Brown _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Does anyone know what the default for overwriting existing files is? And where it is controlled in the gui interface? Is there any documentation that describes this? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Latest security update & Installer.app?
by Peter Bierman 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com The installer has three possible authentication modes: Root, Admin, & None. None has always meant that installation proceeds as the logged in user. -pmb I'm confused... The original poster is hoping for the "death of Admin Authentication" and the response is that "(Admin authentication now always requests a password.)" Doesn't this mean that Admin authentication is still around??? Can we get a comparison of the old and new behavior? How does it affect our installations? Also, has the documentation for the installer been updated with the new behavior? On jeudi, novembre 30, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Peter Bierman wrote: Could it be possible to get detailed information related to the latest security update and how it affects Installer.app and the installation process? Before investing time in finding it, could it be possible to know for instance if this means the death of Admin Authentication (which would be good news)? That's the extent of the Installer.app changes. (Admin authentication now always requests a password.) Cool. Kevin Hoyt _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bierman%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Root has always meant that everyone will be asked for a valid admin account & password. Installation proceeds as the root user. Admin has previously meant that _non admins_ will be asked for a valid admin account and password. Admin users were not asked for a password. Installation proceeds as the root user. As of the latest security update, the "Admin" authentication mode now asks all users for a valid admin account and password. Installation proceeds as the root user. This means that "Admin" authorization mode now produces the same installer behavior as "Root". Yes, they both still exist as valid flags, but they are now equivalent. This will affect existing installer packages by requiring an admin password in some situations where previously one was not required. The actual installation process once started remains the same. At 4:16 PM -0800 12/5/06, Kevin Hoyt wrote: At 11:28 PM +0100 11/30/06, Stéphane Sudre wrote: This email sent to bierman(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Latest security update & Installer.app?
by Bill Coderre 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com I'm confused... The original poster is hoping for the "death of Admin Authentication" and the response is that "(Admin authentication now always requests a password.)" Doesn't this mean that Admin authentication is still around??? On jeudi, novembre 30, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Peter Bierman wrote: Could it be possible to get detailed information related to the latest security update and how it affects Installer.app and the installation process? That's the extent of the Installer.app changes. (Admin authentication now always requests a password.) Cool. Kevin Hoyt _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/bc%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… If the package says "AdminAuthorization", the installer now runs the "RootAuthorization" code. This means that AdminAuthorization and RootAuthorization packages ALWAYS ask for an admin password before installation commences. (The old case was that if the user was an Admin, AdminAuthorization packages did not ask for a password.) On Dec 5, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Hoyt wrote: Can we get a comparison of the old and new behavior? How does it affect our installations? Also, has the documentation for the installer been updated with the new behavior? At 11:28 PM +0100 11/30/06, Stéphane Sudre wrote: Before investing time in finding it, could it be possible to know for instance if this means the death of Admin Authentication (which would be good news)? This email sent to bc(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Latest security update & Installer.app?
by Kevin Hoyt 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com I'm confused... The original poster is hoping for the "death of Admin Authentication" and the response is that "(Admin authentication now always requests a password.)" Doesn't this mean that Admin authentication is still around??? Can we get a comparison of the old and new behavior? How does it affect our installations? Also, has the documentation for the installer been updated with the new behavior? On jeudi, novembre 30, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Peter Bierman wrote: > At 11:28 PM +0100 11/30/06, Stéphane Sudre wrote: >> Could it be possible to get detailed information related to the >> latest security update and how it affects Installer.app and the >> installation process? >> >> Before investing time in finding it, could it be possible to know for >> instance if this means the death of Admin Authentication (which would >> be good news)? > > > That's the extent of the Installer.app changes. > (Admin authentication now always requests a password.) Cool. Kevin Hoyt _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Latest security update & Installer.app?
by Stéphane Sudre 04 Dec '06

04 Dec '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On jeudi, novembre 30, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Peter Bierman wrote: That's the extent of the Installer.app changes. (Admin authentication now always requests a password.) Cool. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… At 11:28 PM +0100 11/30/06, Stéphane Sudre wrote: Could it be possible to get detailed information related to the latest security update and how it affects Installer.app and the installation process? Before investing time in finding it, could it be possible to know for instance if this means the death of Admin Authentication (which would be good news)? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: InstallationCheck
by Luke Bellandi 01 Dec '06

01 Dec '06

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