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Postflight Applescripts
by Michael Kiaer 18 Apr '06

18 Apr '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hello list... Is this expected behavior? Is there any way around it? Thanks! Michael _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I asked this question a few weeks ago but no one responded. Let me try again and rephrase the question. I am building an installer package using Iceberg. The installer is set to require root authentication. I need the installer to run a postflight script. In cases where I used a shell script, the root authentication was passed to the script with no problem. In this case, the postflight script is an Applescript and the root authentication does not appear to be passed to the script which fails on certain actions it's not allowed to do. I am aware that I can wrap the Applescript in a shell script and it would probably work. But the Applescript already contains some shell script code (do shell script) and I am afraid it gets too complicated, passing back and forth variables and results if I attempt to wrap that in a shell script. And it's an ugly solution. So, foremost, I am interested in the general question: do Applescripts as pre/postflight scripts in installer packages not get the proper credentials passed from the package? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: How to Call a installer from within the installation script
by Wayne Linder 14 Apr '06

14 Apr '06

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How to Call a installer from within the installation script
by 007 14 Apr '06

14 Apr '06

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Re: Low Rate of Compression in Package Maker
by Bill Coderre 10 Apr '06

10 Apr '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com I think he's kidding us, but, for clarity: 3) Add a Distribution to handle 10.4 or later. Hope this helps. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Paul Miller quips: Really? I can create a Distribution Package (with multiple sub- packages) in Tiger and it'll work in Panther? I honestly didn't think that would work for some reason. No, unfortunately. Just to make it clear, it is extremely unlikely the Installer will rev for 10.3 or earlier. (Even if it did, you'd have to get your users to perform the upgrade.) You can make a package that will install as far back as 10.1, and not blow up on 10.0 pretty easily though. 1) You must have an InstallationCheck that returns an eror (I return 1) if the running OS is less than 10.1. (10.1 and later style packages just can't be made to install on 10.0, so give a graceful error.) 2) In your InstallationCheck and VolumeCheck, do what you need to do. Remember that if the running OS is 10.4 or newer, it will run the distribution instead. (I don't tend to use rule dictionaries. I suppose you can but I haven't tested all the combinations.) 4) In your pre- and postflight scripts, be sure not to do anything that doesn't work in your oldest supported OS. (ie. don't call utilities that didn't appear until later. You can put utilities in your installer script in the Contents/Resources folder, but you have to make sure they work right, of course!) 5) AVOID messing with the receipts. They keep changing formats and behaviors, and will likely change again pretty soon. (Instead of opening a receipt to see what was installed where, have a postflight check the appropriate environment variables, and write your own "where stuff got installed" preference file.) 6) Use the PackageMaker in the latest available Developer Tools (and, consequently, a recent OS version, sorry for the inconvenience). RESULT: Packagemaker will generate a package with a hybrid layout containing new-style Archive.bom files and symlinks in the old (10.1) style places. This package will error nicely on 10.0, install correctly on 10.1 - 10.4, and probably continue to install on 10.5. (The Installer can't promise absolute compatibility, but it intends to have it if possible.) As for mpkgs, the story is pretty much the same, except that you should add a single distribution script to the mpkg, and have the old Info.plist for the 10.3 stuff. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Low Rate of Compression in Package Maker
by Paul Miller 10 Apr '06

10 Apr '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) Thanks for pointing this out. Cheers, -Paul -- Paul Miller | paul(a)fxtech.com | www.fxtech.com | Got Tivo? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Peter Bierman wrote: At 10:13 AM -0500 4/9/06, Paul Miller wrote: Christopher Ryan wrote: It isn't about what Package Maker is doing, it is more about what is supported in Mac OS X's Package technology. At this time it is "gzip" is the only understood compression type. Although this could certainly change in the future, it would be unlikely to be compatible with previous release of OS X. Either way, we are always looking at ways of improving the Installation technology and are aware that there are better ways to compress package content. Observation: It's not like you've made any attempt at making Package Maker compatible with previous versions of OS X anyway. Package Maker, the Application that developers can use to make packages, does not run on older OS releases. But the Packages that it creates sure do! It's possible to create packages that install on every build of Mac OS X since 10.1. Really? I can create a Distribution Package (with multiple sub-packages) in Tiger and it'll work in Panther? I honestly didn't think that would work for some reason. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Low Rate of Compression in Package Maker
by Peter Bierman 10 Apr '06

10 Apr '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com -pmb _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… At 10:13 AM -0500 4/9/06, Paul Miller wrote: Christopher Ryan wrote: It isn't about what Package Maker is doing, it is more about what is supported in Mac OS X's Package technology. At this time it is "gzip" is the only understood compression type. Although this could certainly change in the future, it would be unlikely to be compatible with previous release of OS X. Either way, we are always looking at ways of improving the Installation technology and are aware that there are better ways to compress package content. Observation: It's not like you've made any attempt at making Package Maker compatible with previous versions of OS X anyway. Package Maker, the Application that developers can use to make packages, does not run on older OS releases. But the Packages that it creates sure do! It's possible to create packages that install on every build of Mac OS X since 10.1. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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RE: Low Rate of Compression in Package Maker
by Wayne Linder 10 Apr '06

10 Apr '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcZb4pSS0yVMRcfVEdq+9AANkzDgagAZc5mh Thread-topic: Low Rate of Compression in Package Maker Wow! How much of that is resources and how much are binaries? -----Original Message----- From: installer-dev-bounces+linder=iomega.com(a)lists.apple.com on behalf of Ruslan Zasukhin Sent: Sun 4/9/2006 8:33 AM To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Cc: Subject: Low Rate of Compression in Package Maker Hi Guys, Since I have get into this, I like ask next. It seems PM use simple ZIP algorithm. The famous Windows *free* installer maker InnoSetup compress our files 2 times better! PM produce 8-9MB archive IS produce 4.6-5 Mb archives. If I try compress our files using StuffIt then I also get about 4.5-4.6 MB. So I wonder, if InnoSetup - free product - is able use some (LZA it seems) algorithm to get so good compression, why Apple not use it also ? It is really critical point, especially now, when we need produce Universal Binary format. Archive of our UB Valentina Studio is 28MB. The Valentina Studio WIN archive -- only 6MB .... When I see this, I say -- wow. :-) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/linder%40iomega.com This email sent to linder(a)iomega.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Low Rate of Compression in Package Maker
by Paul Miller 09 Apr '06

09 Apr '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) -- Paul Miller | paul(a)fxtech.com | www.fxtech.com | Got Tivo? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Christopher Ryan wrote: It isn't about what Package Maker is doing, it is more about what is supported in Mac OS X's Package technology. At this time it is "gzip" is the only understood compression type. Although this could certainly change in the future, it would be unlikely to be compatible with previous release of OS X. Either way, we are always looking at ways of improving the Installation technology and are aware that there are better ways to compress package content. Observation: It's not like you've made any attempt at making Package Maker compatible with previous versions of OS X anyway. I'm personally waiting for the day when I can make a custom installer page with C++, and when PackageMaker can make DMGs on its own. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Low Rate of Compression in Package Maker
by Christopher Ryan 09 Apr '06

09 Apr '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thanks, Chris Mac OS X Installation Engineering Manager Apple Computer, Inc Hi Guys, Since I have get into this, I like ask next. It seems PM use simple ZIP algorithm. PM produce 8-9MB archive IS produce 4.6-5 Mb archives. It is really critical point, especially now, when we need produce Universal Binary format. Archive of our UB Valentina Studio is 28MB. The Valentina Studio WIN archive -- only 6MB .... When I see this, I say -- wow. :-) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/ryanc%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… It isn't about what Package Maker is doing, it is more about what is supported in Mac OS X's Package technology. At this time it is "gzip" is the only understood compression type. Although this could certainly change in the future, it would be unlikely to be compatible with previous release of OS X. Either way, we are always looking at ways of improving the Installation technology and are aware that there are better ways to compress package content. The famous Windows *free* installer maker InnoSetup compress our files 2 times better! If I try compress our files using StuffIt then I also get about 4.5-4.6 MB. So I wonder, if InnoSetup - free product - is able use some (LZA it seems) algorithm to get so good compression, why Apple not use it also ? This email sent to ryanc(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Low Rate of Compression in Package Maker
by Ruslan Zasukhin 09 Apr '06

09 Apr '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcZb4pSS0yVMRcfVEdq+9AANkzDgag== Thread-topic: Low Rate of Compression in Package Maker User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.0.050811 Hi Guys, Since I have get into this, I like ask next. It seems PM use simple ZIP algorithm. The famous Windows *free* installer maker InnoSetup compress our files 2 times better! PM produce 8-9MB archive IS produce 4.6-5 Mb archives. If I try compress our files using StuffIt then I also get about 4.5-4.6 MB. So I wonder, if InnoSetup - free product - is able use some (LZA it seems) algorithm to get so good compression, why Apple not use it also ? It is really critical point, especially now, when we need produce Universal Binary format. Archive of our UB Valentina Studio is 28MB. The Valentina Studio WIN archive -- only 6MB .... When I see this, I say -- wow. :-) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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