February 2009 - Installer-dev

Re: Installing command line tools
by Brent Burton 09 Feb '09

09 Feb '09

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Re: Installing command line tools
by Greg Neagle 09 Feb '09

09 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Feb 8, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Brent Burton wrote: -Greg _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… Basically, PM will indeed expand a directory when the package is built. The limitation is that for any file that is expanded that was not listed in the .pmdoc, PM will use the filesystem's mode & ownership. What else could it possibly use? Without any information to the contrary, the current mode, owner and group must be assumed to be correct... This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Installing command line tools
by Eli Bach 09 Feb '09

09 Feb '09

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Re: Installing command line tools
by Brent Burton 09 Feb '09

09 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mpsveHZAa29T++vNeQFCbyxqKcj2cvmFuLrarOxdUPE=; b=L05fVJzczV92cZo6x/N9rcKeMJnj20sqdrvVx8J9MZFU+fvR8aoXeGoBEk5IYFFSwc aPRK46PvMWMT9TIxnTZksfw4S2++e2iMM73zpLOcMF06wb4+kRalnPBznQSoqycPPwqJ S2yTygoRTT3qb4J3a8Jzss7zmAdBd9yV6uluI= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AuXc676VdPv0FI3/lf5DdbAgYzQbYpJmqPBqnLOk6LKajzBtby4QvkLlDdls5ulV9S +fg5MIGusTBx+4qS8bgej8dPj6uhuPhPF2kDq49EMU1fOs1HN5EsQ52dlqBw4XDC7oMN FJTORmFDIZVbfAjvc8cUmtABY/LTo3o5IlM4U= My schedule this past week made it very difficult to reply any sooner. Below.. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Greg Neagle <Greg.Neagle(a)disneyanimation.com> wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Brent Burton wrote: >> >> * How hacky is our current tar archive payload? Any problems doing this? > > It's a hack. As a system administrator, I want package receipts - > specifically bom files, to tell what is installed. I don't want to have to > read post-xxx scripts to figure out what other stuff got installed. We'll > NEVER have a working uninstall capability as long as developers use post-XXX > scripts to install stuff. Your bom would mention the tar archive (which no > longer exists on the target) and neglect to mention the bin tools (which now > are on the target). No uninstaller could ever make sense of this. OK, this is a huge reason to not use a postinstall-based technique. I agree, how else can a real uninstaller begin to work if we're hacking the process? Last week I spent a fair bit of time looking into what works and what doesn't. In short, PackageMaker mostly handles directories the way I desired. In my original message in this thread, I said PM didn't expand directories at all. As I've found, that's not true, but this doesn't mean that PM's expansion of those directories is what is desired. Basically, PM will indeed expand a directory when the package is built. The limitation is that for any file that is expanded that was not listed in the .pmdoc, PM will use the filesystem's mode & ownership. As an example, if I create a .pmdoc containing the directory "bin/" with one item "aaa" (root:wheel), then at build time if the bin/ directory contains "aaa", "bbb" and "ccc", the file information for aaa will be "root:wheel", but bbb and ccc will be "localuser:staff". This is reasonable behavior, but is a bit too loose. Thanks for posting the build snippet, Greg. I'm going to take a look at that and a couple other ways. -Brent _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Another bug in "Distribution Definition Reference"?
by Iceberg-Dev 07 Feb '09

07 Feb '09

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Re: Can Packagemaker create installer with content files outsidethe bundle?
by Iceberg-Dev 06 Feb '09

06 Feb '09

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Re: Can Packagemaker create installer with content files outsidethe bundle?
by Paul Grathwohl 06 Feb '09

06 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Iceberg-Dev wrote on 02/05/2009 09:59:50 PM: > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 1:10 PM, dan santucci wrote: > > > the subject says it all really, but i am wondering if it is > > possible to share/install content (media) files between 2 different > > installers, PC and Mac. the only solution we've found requires all > > media to be part of the package and this uses double the disk space. > > > > Shells scripts don't give any progress feedback to the GUI and that > > is an issue with the files which can be up to 2GB. I found this > > older thread at the link below. it explains the problem, and > > includes suggestions in more detail, but sadly the problem wasn't > > solved. any suggestions are welcome! > > IFPkgFlagAltSourceLocation > > http://lists.apple.com/archives/Installer-dev/2007/Jun/msg00046.html >

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Re: commandline Installer Creation doesn't honor Resources
by Christian Unger 06 Feb '09

06 Feb '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com This seems to be a bug in the commandline pm tool: thanks for all hints. cu christian unger On 05.02.2009, at 22:49, Iceberg-Dev wrote: On Feb 5, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Christian Unger wrote: I followed the step to remove the .svn dirs - to no avail. Can you post the contents of the Distribution file? Something like: <license file="License.txt"/> <readme file="ReadMe.txt"/> If it does not, then your resources won't be used. Hope it can help. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… The Resources are not referenced inside the Flat Package's Distribution, whereas when I set the target lower than 10.5 the installer will behave as expected, for the price of not having a flat package but a 10.4 style distribution. But honestly I'm fine with this, since the package is distributed on a dmg. But inside the distribution script I cannot find any references to any of y UI elements, anyone? It should contain references to your License, ReadMe or Background files. <background file="Background.jpg" alignment="Something" scaling="Something else"/> N.B.: I never used the packagemaker tool so I can't tell if you're using a PackageMaker project to build the FLAT metapackage or it's built only from the parameters. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Problem in hdiutil flatten dmg created by Disk Utility
by sivasankar Muthusamy 06 Feb '09

06 Feb '09

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Re: commandline Installer Creation doesn't honor Resources
by Iceberg-Dev 05 Feb '09

05 Feb '09

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