August 2010 - Installer-dev

Why is my installer not installing files
by jon.lott＠mac.com 07 Aug '10

07 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com I have a question about running the installer in 10.6.4. What are the possible reasons why running the installer via command line returns success even though it did not install any of the files or it would partially install some files. I am creating and installing an mpkg file. Note that I don't see this happening everytime I test the installer. The steps I do is run my uninstaller tool which deletes files and also removes receipts files, then I run the installer. These steps are successful in installing the files correctly for the first few attempts, but then it will fail sometimes to install the files but still return success. I have the install log files available by request. Can someone please shed some light on this. Thanks, Jon _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Uninstall during upgrade
by Bill Coderre 06 Aug '10

06 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Aug 5, 2010, at 8:01 PM, sakshi wrote: > The behavior of unchecking a choice during upgrade seems to be a no > op. My team is expecting a uninstall. Do any of the Mac installers do > this? I have a hack for it but am wondering if it would be the right > thing to do. Any thoughts? Thanks. Sakshi. No, this is not standard behavior for Mac OS X installers, and wasn't for classic Mac OS either. Users expect un-checked choices to be no-ops. Please don't surprise them. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Uninstall during upgrade
by sakshi 06 Aug '10

06 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bjPvXOWRFWDGcI8oR74Szrs7NXG74cmZhEOsJokJpm8=; b=KFKTLrLr0bWNMqqIDnPAFP5v7fjJbV7dIsnj47vIBYJeC8X1fVqo0yjioz7u3Gx2Nf gqJVoQRX+k70z/aDp4ub2gjjNyyn7dRv32cCB40hMK21AzlhCqsv/DhxUOReKWsC48h0 i+jwa6vGAqCyXr/VZdOdRrUzMjHaLGjipdn4I= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qgWI4+99IPMkUsCWprP9/Tc24HV/NngQ5BdDpez2tOTMX0I1ldGpAnyIHY3ADS1ODH yXQHVyH6Qsnj3iPRnxluKF750Qz3gwLTyuAdG98PTw9/fKteMbIVP2jGEZ6Np9LSq4MN 4tbeeMu+jbjYvfUYVE0g8mEd+9yoINJKAWSnk= Sounds like a neat option. I have been blocked by thought of having a hidden choice do the uninstall. Making it visible to the user uncomplicates things. Thanks! -Sakshi On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Glover,David <David.Glover(a)prometheanworld.com> wrote: > I have created packages before that uninstall a previous one at upgrade time through a preupgrade script, and then install the new files. I haven't tried an uninstall from a separate package though, as it's possible that it could be deselected, or fail to install for some reason. > > You could always create an install package that actually uninstalls a specific component through the install scripts, label it as an uninstall package and have it selected by default as a choice? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sakshi [mailto:heysakshi@gmail.com] > Sent: 06 August 2010 09:37 > To: Glover,David > Cc: Installer-Dev mailing-list > Subject: Re: Uninstall during upgrade > > Thanks, Dave. We already have an uninstaller module that we are > planning to ship. My concern is whether it would be right to invoke an > uninstallation component during install. > > Say I were to run an installer in install mode and install a > framework. Next I re-run it and it runs in upgrade mode. Now I switch > off the checkbox for the component. The normal Mac behavior seems to > be that nothing will happen. The component will stay installed and > will not be touched. My guess is Windows installers are triggering the > expectation that this step would work as a modify mode and would > actually go and uninstall the framework. > > I could invoke my uninstaller from another component package and > potentially uninstall the framework. But is this is right thing to do? > My take is that Mac users will be caught off guard and I guess I am > looking for confirmation that I am right. > > -Sakshi > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Glover,David > <David.Glover(a)prometheanworld.com> wrote: >> Personally I think the best way is to write a bash or perl script to do >> the uninstall, make it executable and install it along with the other >> files in the package. Or if you're creating a dmg container, have it >> sat in there alongside your package. >> >> Install packages on Mac do not have built in uninstalls, so you need to >> make something yourself. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> installer-dev-bounces+david.glover=prometheanworld.com(a)lists.apple.com >> [mailto:installer-dev-bounces+david.glover=prometheanworld.com@lists.app >> le.com] On Behalf Of sakshi >> Sent: 06 August 2010 04:01 >> To: Installer-Dev mailing-list >> Subject: Uninstall during upgrade >> >> The behavior of unchecking a choice during upgrade seems to be a no >> op. My team is expecting a uninstall. Do any of the Mac installers do >> this? I have a hack for it but am wondering if it would be the right >> thing to do. Any thoughts? Thanks. Sakshi. >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/david.glover%40prom >> etheanworld.com >> >> This email sent to david.glover(a)prometheanworld.com >> > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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RE: Uninstall during upgrade
by Glover,David 06 Aug '10

06 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: Acs1QpnlhYDGzTESTiCkYJOMwOmymQAAgoAw Thread-topic: Uninstall during upgrade I have created packages before that uninstall a previous one at upgrade time through a preupgrade script, and then install the new files. I haven't tried an uninstall from a separate package though, as it's possible that it could be deselected, or fail to install for some reason. You could always create an install package that actually uninstalls a specific component through the install scripts, label it as an uninstall package and have it selected by default as a choice? -----Original Message----- From: sakshi [mailto:heysakshi@gmail.com] Sent: 06 August 2010 09:37 To: Glover,David Cc: Installer-Dev mailing-list Subject: Re: Uninstall during upgrade Thanks, Dave. We already have an uninstaller module that we are planning to ship. My concern is whether it would be right to invoke an uninstallation component during install. Say I were to run an installer in install mode and install a framework. Next I re-run it and it runs in upgrade mode. Now I switch off the checkbox for the component. The normal Mac behavior seems to be that nothing will happen. The component will stay installed and will not be touched. My guess is Windows installers are triggering the expectation that this step would work as a modify mode and would actually go and uninstall the framework. I could invoke my uninstaller from another component package and potentially uninstall the framework. But is this is right thing to do? My take is that Mac users will be caught off guard and I guess I am looking for confirmation that I am right. -Sakshi On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Glover,David <David.Glover(a)prometheanworld.com> wrote: > Personally I think the best way is to write a bash or perl script to do > the uninstall, make it executable and install it along with the other > files in the package. Or if you're creating a dmg container, have it > sat in there alongside your package. > > Install packages on Mac do not have built in uninstalls, so you need to > make something yourself. > > Regards, > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > installer-dev-bounces+david.glover=prometheanworld.com(a)lists.apple.com > [mailto:installer-dev-bounces+david.glover=prometheanworld.com@lists.app > le.com] On Behalf Of sakshi > Sent: 06 August 2010 04:01 > To: Installer-Dev mailing-list > Subject: Uninstall during upgrade > > The behavior of unchecking a choice during upgrade seems to be a no > op. My team is expecting a uninstall. Do any of the Mac installers do > this? I have a hack for it but am wondering if it would be the right > thing to do. Any thoughts? Thanks. Sakshi. > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/david.glover%40prom > etheanworld.com > > This email sent to david.glover(a)prometheanworld.com > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Uninstall during upgrade
by sakshi 06 Aug '10

06 Aug '10

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RE: Uninstall during upgrade
by Glover,David 06 Aug '10

06 Aug '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: Acs1E/PAQHi85MnqSqKlplW3gOkLhQAKjMaw Thread-topic: Uninstall during upgrade Personally I think the best way is to write a bash or perl script to do the uninstall, make it executable and install it along with the other files in the package. Or if you're creating a dmg container, have it sat in there alongside your package. Install packages on Mac do not have built in uninstalls, so you need to make something yourself. Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: installer-dev-bounces+david.glover=prometheanworld.com(a)lists.apple.com [mailto:installer-dev-bounces+david.glover=prometheanworld.com@lists.app le.com] On Behalf Of sakshi Sent: 06 August 2010 04:01 To: Installer-Dev mailing-list Subject: Uninstall during upgrade The behavior of unchecking a choice during upgrade seems to be a no op. My team is expecting a uninstall. Do any of the Mac installers do this? I have a hack for it but am wondering if it would be the right thing to do. Any thoughts? Thanks. Sakshi. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/david.glover%40prom etheanworld.com This email sent to david.glover(a)prometheanworld.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Uninstall during upgrade
by sakshi 06 Aug '10

06 Aug '10

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Detecting upgrade in postinstall
by sakshi 04 Aug '10

04 Aug '10

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