September 2010 - Installer-dev

Re: Mac Packaging for Terminal Applications?
by Damian Johnson 08 Sep '10

08 Sep '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=VmdtkqHkWyGCOQXvFixNAtGAEjuEXJnJ/6yUQ1B4DmY=; b=raCruUlz2HagTQjBrxIzJqYxH27iHNWXAOHYrL6UbTOEkM7veR2cNeZZqc6r7UPYLp 9IefOT4Li4k4TLwCpTH0aYrewqi2QFdHu+MpECUcpGoKNoUGDq7zAuteabXdtyoCAGyo KBe6DdOGlnl7VTsg8hbcaHJSRTtcY/At8wxL4= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ia6sUd9KePX0hcCh3eklFASDOdV2z12xdKfxDdBzvFd4cH9Otj5Fg2iAWqa8Jik7qD mJ7ElYOp1G8EgBYG36gqT4Cm6pLL0d3KZR18/mvMWX2y0icDOq288Pe+hWcFebsmnkoo Fc0XuGPMM7gsiFeikCNJii5bGExGLW1MA2/2I= _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

1 0

Re: Mac Packaging for Terminal Applications?
by David Buxton 08 Sep '10

08 Sep '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 8 Sep 2010, at 17:39, Damian Johnson wrote: > Hi, I'm currently working on packaging for a command line application of mine (http://www.atagar.com/arm) It's a python script so installing via a tarball hasn't been a problem for mac users so far, but I'm trying to make things easier. I just started distributing debs/rpms for Linux distributions, and I'm not sure of the proper counterpart for Macs. There seems to be two options: Have you considered using Python's distutils to create a distribution script and register it on the Cheeseshop? That way people who aren't familiar with Python can just download and unpack a tarball and do "sudo python setup.py install" while those people with easy_install or pip can use those tools to fetch it remotely. Here's the relevant bit in distutils about packaging command-line tools: http://docs.python.org/distutils/setupscript.html#installing-scripts David B. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

1 0

Re: Mac Packaging for Terminal Applications?
by hagen 08 Sep '10

08 Sep '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MPhJ/tWFZqkf7PHfAVAaEhASl50blR94vU/WCN2cj08=; b=nnIM1EI8hZNljqwOH9AzFbc3VgXtPPK95S2Pogl7PLT8C9aK+OXnHXAWe/82ileIU7 AieEMFikNwXFLpq9fPyTWCdtuKRpZ/rvJP5QwQDR9089h/ebkjikKbAxXmPewl3tK+hq zMD+oAk0hiXGbUxNwlrrDh2M0ETW4rMauZtJU= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=RJKP+hB9mDh+ewmCip9g5p1g+gfU6XODHQ+EGEvHh5stcFhLBaKdGrOn6BEONGA/x7 nWVvGU8U5g2MzllfCdHptUP+J8Z+0ebY1Z4ivQohyh8hd4nlYuMRCjZt5DApKqQ9l2di sMcD0ajkQqS4cjYTydQTGcXEGaUDpzUmOhee8= Damian, my feeling is macports is the way to go: If its not a consumer product. macport is really convenient for experienced users, who have heard about the terminal. Best, Hagen. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Damian Johnson <atagar1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, I'm currently working on packaging for a command line application of > mine (http://www.atagar.com/arm) It's a python script so installing via a > tarball hasn't been a problem for mac users so far, but I'm trying to make > things easier. I just started distributing debs/rpms for Linux > distributions, and I'm not sure of the proper counterpart for Macs. There > seems to be two options: > > dmg - Most common format for macs. Is this just for GUI applications or is > it done for terminal applications as well? Installing to the dashboard > really wouldn't make much sense for this... > > macport (http://www.macports.org/) - Kinda looks like a BSD style > distribution method, being fetched and installed from their repository > rather than via packages. This looks like the better solution from a > technical sense (it would make updating easy) but I'm not sure how prevalent > its usage is in the mac community (ie, would mac users recognize it?). > > My target audience is tor relay operators so they tend to be pretty advanced > users. Any thoughts on the preferred method of distributing terminal > applications? Thanks! -Damian > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/signal%40dynax.at > > This email sent to signal(a)dynax.at > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

1 0

Mac Packaging for Terminal Applications?
by Damian Johnson 08 Sep '10

08 Sep '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kzGEL+ld/xY1ypJLBddnHJ3e8MlYZxTBbwcpZ2Sn+Js=; b=sbOfDK6cH8dBQItmfYrDkBLGoaJ0bynVzfianDL/0CYHm3xcNNAPLK5cPfz5C3YUsv 6vCwl/3MTJ4c2F3UHiD5aDuE55QNGO8sOSkdCiV2kkpdYS9EBQTpjuRFUKun0gEBXMsa W2afQjI+a7WmMAGvwtbpomMiyG95NX2qbxIAc= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BzuJsC5+5ibKfpTPJInlVMvnJXflBRDrgsSrVl444K0YQdMvBfN6B5TV45NXO3xwab wV+vQr4QKcx487hhl+4pow6PU6+DZJcTFRyBAaHBSfs9kUtJWTQu/23quab+ahxuPRzz 4Qcev5UAFKxQAKJPfGsmeM8Rdwmskde69Ej58= _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

1 0

Order with installationcheck and volumecheck
by Shaguo 08 Sep '10

08 Sep '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3UsmxLKtKjFVpbJJzBPb+8pQG4LpOrdk9CiJPWzqdKI=; b=J4YouFm+Gsf/RjdvSObJdB8Yzx7dvfsB6jNn8Xzd5BbxL+IkhqKoWO4Ij8mH9ez2kW W71RiJJ8DzTvxi9qn92klfjVHavOSHAPIH6rx1jV5x1UjiupMGIEXms1S67G6chBB171 IGg3/fiO7MFZQB2TdbJhIIhPo9myDf+YwVq9g= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=jWGMiMIhWSZduKp377Z9usD746BM+exy4PdQKTUOtaloXncbk5/duT6vAr8aIjRAAs hPUQUNmCUzF4B0ZCgJtTCs3TEnew9NxGKLFHrBhASnOpVeqikUPbYs1Lo+dRipGwYGcJ Pfk9KAu2vgTrfJOSC8jvUlK5vGb7Kj9IUtvoU= _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

1 0

Fwd: permissions
by hagen 03 Sep '10

03 Sep '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=4K/hzDNswYQE2kG+s829V38FhyZtqkHTbAI0VgEw0E4=; b=m2mnDeJXo8SwhiavE+2B3ct669Ghs3BgGfY3uLJnjM4MZzWkNmKHbN6cBwS9vCdQ1w V++QjGf+6D7lTBa2WrmNg17og3/Hnzd4Nev/NlKqxEEBeZs+Znc9qWDNKRIQg37HBiAL jLjEmiFOZMOKpXqfZRo1gtIyRO+zAesNgZBBQ= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=vmoPuqMomaFu+0JOlDwMvsjNZlOCCA5M+qVxIBAUjRuvG17NDmXwN6bYjD8dWlaVJu zc/jRvIAqiXGOZ3IrEUvKm8HknkpJoMp1idleadUIyChunKhyBYNJ3Yv6fnxd6bTAQGx uoF0zPuAFet0Y0XKTDIEh8eF9ek0Y9n9lM0LE= Thanks Stephane, I probably will have a look at these (again)! We do have an iceberg install project, but I was looking into an alternate solution, since I've encountered issue with iceberg as well. 1. My iceberg project could not be build (from the command line) on a samba share (it would just hanging idle somewhere at the beginning of the processing). 2. The GUI did not always reflect the changes I made, and sometime choices would not open. 3. I saw last development activity was 2009, in the meantime SL happened, so I got worrying if it is still maintained. and there a couple of more things I do not remember right now, but if I need to go back, I am able to outline what I encountered. So, is Iceberg going to be replaced by Packages? 4. I actually would prefer a solution provided by the OS maker. But this seems to be complete non-sense for now. Thanks and best regards, Hagen. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Stephane Sudre <dev.iceberg(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You might be interested in having a look at one of these 2 solutions: > > http://s.sudre.free.fr/Software/Iceberg.html > > http://s.sudre.free.fr/Software/Packages/about.html > > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

1 0

Re: iPhone-Simulator installer bug
by Fritz Anderson 02 Sep '10

02 Sep '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 2 Sep 2010, at 2:14 AM, Christian Unger wrote: > Is someone on this list also experiencing a bug which prevents Installer.app from installing while the iPad/iPhone Simulator is running? > > - start installer while simulator is running. > - installer stalls at early stage. > - quit simulator. > - installer crashes. > Yes. It's been there from the start, as far as I know. Extremely annoying. Installer.app and the Simulator installer seem to share some resources, which has Installer.app looking forever at the Simulator for something that can never come. I no longer bother to be amazed at Installer/PackageMaker. rdar://6988502, 6/19/2009, closed as duplicate of rdar://6941017. — F _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

1 0

[Bug?] iTunes 10 distribution script
by Stephane Sudre 02 Sep '10

02 Sep '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VI/EgYb1TKcUbtVuRTpWXtxIidLOstca7kTc+WskFsg=; b=Bmz32oowUlKgsjV0CKAh2GXQYbQHm/2o0fzokZO/9drAO/ZNlZu6/XRWlwjP0qUtI3 JnTk3SZPsnsOMWnwMFKYfPR2303TCX5qugCMoKMhzjVfajJuZWkUx8BuoPQ1XKOhKZSy iL2oGYu9rUW3jk9xD12KwBEBbla9h/bqWhoIk= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=iLAtew71CS5r7L5ogwmbKna0n1LVHTyJUQ3rqEKC/1YOTlCYbfi9dM+5lPG04U/29m 63oIA61e5MB9OCZoEQaU9LrnwfPBOW5tNxcxVUq/6hj8xlf6MN4j4PbtPKQfXqU/ZpNT rJzmeb9xFa8g6HdjHizUw7TVGwSWNEI6GrGCI= I might be missing something but is there a back door in Installer.app for Apple regarding the system.run function? In iTunes 10 distribution script, the following code is used: function installMobilitySupport() { var res = system.run("/usr/bin/defaults", "read", "com.apple.iTunes", "disableAMDSInstall",my.target.mountpoint); if( res == 0 ){ return false; } return true; } <choice id='A' enabled='installMobilitySupport()' selected='installMobilitySupport()' title='T_MOBILE' versStr='V_MOBILE' description='D_MOBILE'> <pkg-ref id='com.apple.pkg.AppleMobileDeviceSupport' auth='Root' >#AppleMobileDeviceSupport.pkg</pkg-ref> </choice> but allow-external-scripts is not set in the script. So according to the documentation (http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/DeveloperTools/Referen…) the result for system.run should be undefined as the command will not be executed. And 'undefined' is "probably" not 0, so the answer is always true. Bug ID# 8385710 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

1 0

iPhone-Simulator installer bug
by Christian Unger 02 Sep '10

02 Sep '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

1 0

Re: permissions
by Eli Bach 02 Sep '10

02 Sep '10

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Tspj/UDNlEKDsOPs72Opla/tqdBJxEAYZncjxNDCEkc=; b=loa/KahwDTtVXvXUnEWGXqdhL+pi8bQ8UK3PDypQI3jLJ1ve3E3yGG1Qpt8N2JKKyL UiyLeuez2YzRnOKUcpv2w19+1oZ79HVF/GmPYYnN5Ibe/71xPDph28vNMdBlfQrBFH3I HH/oRT6Y+/2eqRJJ9+2ntSJtOsGO7NGUGIRwI= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=hHuOJUF3lHw++PlsAOe8h1mFQxy4U5dXcIdCFaVZAQu1Ip9MI0zJHiDCBbpgxDgv0G eXnkRemmgm2NL0UTSWYHlPFASidm13uSVtOBnL8wC2a+RkIFrzqiG81qJZJALOp7+62b /fZ/IjBeQ0IAPwI8bouzBOGBIQf7R9vuHew9w= On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:58 AM, hagen wrote: > Hi All, > I've got a rather big packagemaker installer project. > Whenever I load the project into package maker the permissions of the > references to the files to be installed are re-set. And I have to > manually step through and apply recommendations (since I have > corrected the permission on my installation). Not only is this really > tedious and error prone it also sometime just don't set the correct > permissions in the install package. After installing (on a clean > machine) the permissions are still messed up. > > 1. How can I workaround the permission issue? (Do I need to include a > postflight script correcting this?) > 2. How do I provide an uninstaller? > 3. Where are the information stored, about which software and the > corresponding versions are installed? So the OSX installer knows when > to indicate "upgrade"? > 4. Actually I generally tend to use OS provided technologies, for many > reasons, but should I better use another install maker? packagemaker > seems to be very buggy, it often crashes (most likely after a lengthy > attempt to reset the permissions, but any other occasion seems to be > welcome). > 5. Why is packagemaker so extremely slow? Apple invented the > "Instruments"? Are your developer actually using this? What are your > future plans with packagemaker and which installer builder are using > you internally? > 6. The dependency logic for the choices seems completely broken. Only > very basic logic operations do work. Any time frame for a fix? > > Thanks and best regards, > Hagen. Hagen, 1. Instead of setting owner/permission stuff within PackageMaker, you should instead create a script as part of your build process to set the owner/permissions on the files that the Package references. PackageMaker defaults to the owner/permissions of the files, and doesn't seem to do a great job of remembering changes you make to the packagemaker project file itself. 2. Some people create an uninstaller application, others create a shell script, some create a text file/web page explaining where all the application files are and what to delete, while others do nothing and let the user figure out what to delete. 4. I think Apple lets PackageMaker suck so badly to 'encourage' you to not use it. 5. See 4. 6. See 4. Eli _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

1 0