February 2011 - Installer-dev

Re: Suppress the message "This package will run a program to determine if the software can be installed."
by Sanjay Rao 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Sanjay Rao <srao(a)noida.interrasystems.com> wrote: There should be some way to suppress this dialog. Because it seems very annoying to any good software. Like in windows if your installer is digitally signed or something like that, it should not show the warning message. Please treat this email as a suggestion. The issue here is that for a package to be signed, it needs to be a flat package. Plugins in flat distribution are not supported on Leopard. This is supported in Snow Leopard. This email sent to srao(a)noida.interrasystems.com -- Sanjay Rao Digital Media Group, Interra Systems srao(a)interrasystems.com Phone: +1-408-873-1212 http://www.interrasystems.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… what do you mean by a flat package ? I use Iceberg for creation of my package. How can I sign my package ? Regards, Sanjay Rao On 02-02-2011 13:06, Stephane Sudre wrote: And PackageMaker does not support plugins in flat distribution. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/srao%40noida.interrasy… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Suppress the message "This package will run a program to determine if the software can be installed."
by Bill Coderre 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com > On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Stephane Sudre wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Sanjay Rao >> <srao(a)noida.interrasystems.com> wrote: >> There should be some way to suppress this dialog. Because it seems very >> annoying to any good software. Like in windows if your installer is >> digitally signed or something like that, it should not show the warning >> message. Please treat this email as a suggestion. >> > The issue here is that for a package to be signed, it needs to be a > flat package. > > Plugins in flat distribution are not supported on Leopard. This is > supported in Snow Leopard. > > And PackageMaker does not support plugins in flat distribution. The Installer has an unspoken guarantee -- that it will not change the user's machine until the user clicks "Install." Installer plugins are written using Cocoa. Cocoa can change the machine. Therefore, any package, flat, bundle, signed, unsigned, that has plugins will show the alert. Packages with distributions that use the function "system.run()" will ALSO show the message, because system.run() calls an external unix executable, with the same user privileges. Flat packages that have NO plugins and do NOT use "system.run()" CAN make that guarantee because the distribution file does not change the disk. That's why MOST flat packages don't have the message. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Suppress the message "This package will run a program to determine if the software can be installed."
by Stephane Sudre 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ev7DaFeEJ2SKYm9w8nrVXlJNmut9TxTgAweqXIZvCac=; b=YeQrBpKlbT+o4FUik1sBEp5r8omJYzGzfV97aOK1YiuKumLkXPFw6pWvz/EqlKxzCq sdIENRMC/LwZ3WJv/OIJtZFCoswQACY6Ua8IJ1NWWHuOlvWzv/5LvxpLaMqXA92VeYbD UsN7EDeCCjPDT5HOQwrYjSYNgzlsyyae640Xo= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RjhdbEL5xwnZKVYBfnJFRJqklVbsHmgQ3j3EcHIAU1kecsZP06QLN5f72xcaxcqBMS CE4pCIeQOcf5QuJ1Am8hXnWH5WFIiCVj8R7fGZRUwxS1S2FNAXDdS6UmtXoEZ4D7E5Wp pOA//pYYLnRp/fJPmqij/+Y1b6h9DE72RDFZw= On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Sanjay Rao <srao(a)noida.interrasystems.com> wrote: > There should be some way to suppress this dialog. Because it seems very > annoying to any good software. Like in windows if your installer is > digitally signed or something like that, it should not show the warning > message. Please treat this email as a suggestion. The issue here is that for a package to be signed, it needs to be a flat package. Plugins in flat distribution are not supported on Leopard. This is supported in Snow Leopard. And PackageMaker does not support plugins in flat distribution. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Suppress the message "This package will run a program to determine if the software can be installed."
by Sanjay Rao 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 It cannot be suppressed, by design, for security reasons. This email sent to srao(a)noida.interrasystems.com -- Sanjay Rao Digital Media Group, Interra Systems srao(a)interrasystems.com Phone: +1-408-873-1212 http://www.interrasystems.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… There should be some way to suppress this dialog. Because it seems very annoying to any good software. Like in windows if your installer is digitally signed or something like that, it should not show the warning message. Please treat this email as a suggestion. On 02-02-2011 11:00, Bill Coderre wrote: On Feb 2, 2011, at 7:02 AM, kushal ghosh wrote: I have a plugin built to insert a new pane in the installation window. This is done by placing the plugin inside the expanded the package/Plugins and adding the InstallerSections.plist inside expanded package/Plugins which determines when this new window should occur. Everything works but when the installer is run it gives a warning "This package will run a program to determine if the software can be installed." and a message with OK and Cancel button. However on continuing everything works fine and new window appears during installation. Any way to suppress the message? If this plugin bundle is not present then the message does not come. My purpose is to get the new added window without the warning message which appears when pkg is double clicked. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/srao%40noida.interrasy… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Suppress the message "This package will run a program to determine if the software can be installed."
by Bill Coderre 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Feb 2, 2011, at 7:02 AM, kushal ghosh wrote: > I have a plugin built to insert a new pane in the installation window. This is done by placing the plugin inside the expanded the package/Plugins and adding the InstallerSections.plist inside expanded package/Plugins which determines when this new window should occur. Everything works but when the installer is run it gives a warning "This package will run a program to determine if the software can be installed." and a message with OK and Cancel button. However on continuing everything works fine and new window appears during installation. Any way to suppress the message? If this plugin bundle is not present then the message does not come. My purpose is to get the new added window without the warning message which appears when pkg is double clicked. It cannot be suppressed, by design, for security reasons. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Installer with per-machine and per-user selection
by Stephane Sudre 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BZqvRk8fOkil3Pqk48VzidT6QHdrXuOmOlZQoqdiIm8=; b=hgtEIq5pXH0eMe0j9cYRDw1nvLr6AeAeHgcY1DPNH9tUKm00kulRqF/qlihBTlBZ/g 2ZmKfhRYyCqSJdBz42VL2iQU9jsZCdmxJOXhAEtTSMjRU8NqeXpHH0lWWZ+7p5ZuOu9g u8q3boADpjWNYJ/vRe0vwdajDGEQKLFvpgEJk= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BeHuf2ccEMIS0Ca+VJggHrYikvX5spFFhQHWEz+KC8hKXQGo49ytuZiEOFuF/dzn9j 6aatTIZvXC9ht84qTom8McOH2c/SaPvK3y7uQ9HX+fqOcMnI94JW+WBw6gul6pvdS6vh rokqTxNW/3tMsTK66CUdYyYhDtRX50Rw0JCdY= On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Don Montalvo <donmontalvo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Stephane Sudre <dev.iceberg(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Rustam Muginov <rmuginov(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello all. >>> I am trying to create an installer, using PackageMaker, which would allow some items to be installed either into /Library or into ~/Library folder. >>> I can build such installer, it does allow me to select between "all users" and "only current user", but it does require administrator password for both installations. >>> If i remove "admin authorization", when the installation to the /Library would fail. >>> Is it possible to get rid from the redundant password request while installing to "~/Library" but ask for password while installing to "/Library"? >> >> No, it's not possible > > Isn't it possible for the pkg to install into /tmp/librarystuff and then use a postflight loop script to copy into existing ~/Library as well as the User Template (for future users)? > > That's how we deploy stuff that goes to all users on the Mac. This is a possible workaround. But it has the following issues: - it hides the files that have been really installed to the installation data base. - it would not solve the admin password issue AFAIK. (having 2 packages in the same distribution: one for / and one for ~/ would not solve it either) - and, IIRC, sometimes, it can cause troubles with the receipt on some OS (I was playing with a bundle package when I experienced this). _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Installer with per-machine and per-user selection
by Don Montalvo 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

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Re: Getting the list of arguments passed with installer command in preinstall or postinstall
by kushal ghosh 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

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Suppress the message "This package will run a program to determine if the software can be installed."
by kushal ghosh 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

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Re: Installer with per-machine and per-user selection
by Rustam Muginov 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

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