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Re: Hi, My name is Wes and I'm a VISE user
by Allister Banks 29 Apr '11

29 Apr '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Apr 29, 2011, at 1:44 AM, Per Olofsson wrote: > 28 apr 2011 kl. 19.28 skrev Wes Plate: > >> So far my learning has suggested that Iceberg is the way to go over PackageMaker so I'm reading Iceberg's user guide and trying to understand how it works. > > Unless you need to support 10.4, you should probably look at Packages instead (same author, same site), which creates flat packages. (I think he meant bundle packages, but yeah, those are much more capable tools) > >> One of our engineers is working on converting the "External Code" we used to run in VISE and VISE X to a command-line app that can be called from Installer via scripts. > > You might want to take a look at commandline packaging using /usr/bin/packagemaker, as you can easily add this as a build target. Although it wouldn't have as many customer-facing niceties, theLuggage(https://github.com/unixorn/luggage) is another great tool to look at, which utilizes makefiles that you can then stick in a version control system. > >> So, welcome to me. It is nice to meet you too. > > A very warm welcome, we're always happy to see a VISE convert! I literally used Composer yesterday to repackage EFI fiery drivers from a VISE installer! Please, help me help you! > > -- > Per Olofsson > System Administrator, ITS, University of Gothenburg Allister Banks POINT www.pointconsultants.com 646.502.4708 368 Broadway Ste. 303 New York, New York 10013 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Hi, My name is Wes and I'm a VISE user
by Per Olofsson 29 Apr '11

29 Apr '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AQHMBcnGM18IMAx5aEed2/WwyM6AlJR0M/mA Thread-topic: Hi, My name is Wes and I'm a VISE user 28 apr 2011 kl. 19.28 skrev Wes Plate: > So far my learning has suggested that Iceberg is the way to go over PackageMaker so I'm reading Iceberg's user guide and trying to understand how it works. Unless you need to support 10.4, you should probably look at Packages instead (same author, same site), which creates flat packages. > One of our engineers is working on converting the "External Code" we used to run in VISE and VISE X to a command-line app that can be called from Installer via scripts. You might want to take a look at commandline packaging using /usr/bin/packagemaker, as you can easily add this as a build target. > So, welcome to me. It is nice to meet you too. A very warm welcome, we're always happy to see a VISE convert! -- Per Olofsson System Administrator, ITS, University of Gothenburg _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Any up-to-date documentation about os x software distribution?
by Doug Brown 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

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Re: Auto-expand Choices
by Iceberg-Dev 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject :date:to:x-mailer; bh=PiZTBBLJrBQPURLwtm2gct6iMzBWjzQNxzwLctLtUr8=; b=Bw1j+J5IpmUt4X3yQRp+6ApaaTwpFwHLgsi2zcCW+PZTuCWEJvWDgPGtVEOpF4FARX 4cXDuK3jPBijxKnvJ5G+aipJvh/d1L6SttczX3+0IM4kQWBthNIDGGxoTf8oVZs7Lse8 ESg5iwFz9ge0s1P5Ndn54t+Dnm/FlttB8c3jU= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BNMzAB/AQUvz/HHXUihmBlZF/jrl26flGPTA1LuoJcLCyIxgLFFjyo0Jnnk7JggVSj iUlo8dyZ9iEtFwWnOgW8Q0P7IqYxUxVlJdxoc/jiDxXDazF+ykV2nN6im1Q4CLGNu6hv zDmoS9t6f8xBAs76HDaqDN8xejFLNVAg+9j6A= On Apr 25, 2011, at 9:42 PM, Adam Peck wrote: Hi All, _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I don't remember seeing such a property in the distribution script format or JavaScript reference. If I were you, I would file an enhancement request on Radar. This is a good one. With distribution packages is it possible to have the choices expanded by default. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Hi, My name is Wes and I'm a VISE user,
by Rusty Myers 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J1b+UhM+OpOmHFM7C1K/nfMjjgOCc2/geRquZfts5hQ=; b=GnsTQcO6+vJtVfMbYboys1QkwN1VNmwkV+XOZ/HDx4UwYZsqUNlQAx7tmNuPcuWJsR WMiS3r/fpnLcVUat9ha11ugYcMqG//jl+3OIkODCgIcwXHPJsZa53OCF55C2O82OhP2Z Ou1fPA/axoo0AkW6O3i8N1D/nVffDBtKu/byM= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=m6tXdvS+XMTzpkWvk+RarF+hlJYCtvmgAIDSts3EXv2k9S2jI0EBDxDPqHFe4C5jCb qTP8yKfPLKFGdtMn0x0HRYlv0LJoEHlY/GHaAdZ8IvNrQ1HV8zNIl0d3YVO2MkdjOyPl FZObGnyzBVcYMDPKJbIVyPzw6QsWku4DHnpWs= All, Here's a bit of a keynote with some explanation of packages: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5442688/PSUMAC201%20-%20Packaging.key Rusty _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Hi, My name is Wes and I'm a VISE user,
by Don Montalvo 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to :x-mailer; bh=+it6YzaEhNhduBAzpJ/V/5UtYXWhyrPkVl1wJyZzuP0=; b=FlmilckcQ/Ojhwpk7dUn0RLs4A2NYiU6V8bmw4PmifH2J2jRhStmQC7wKgUtT9lTMH k09Mv6R00Az1ARoHyAsH0iMiBQa79+5zhc5ZnaFlBo4//n0fq6lAUK0pSQ1W5nVOMiYk /WVt658yUUivd8gtrzVQgQwfXRXgOdw/tIWZ4= Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=SpYdn3aowADZ93V1kVxAI+fQEBvH8hoXz2OZoCn/4ixEN58QDTrBRYHEEEuAbl0bME WFF89LifyGxXWlpCmEmCfrl1OoOGLuppexl5PKvLyObaMz312HF560UDz+3+oOFqfCwk e62atfhhYaGqueLpmgWwS3XzdO2cyZaSlU5e4= Wes Plate <wes(a)automaticduck.com> wrote: > For about ten years we've been using VISE to make our installers. For they most part they have worked fine so we weren't motivated to check out the alternatives. Recently we've had more users complain that the installers won't run for them, the installer app crashes or has other odd behavior preventing a successful install. Mindvision has been unable to shine any light on why these users are having trouble, so we're looking at moving off VISE. > > That brings me here, to lurk and learn and eventually ask questions. > > So far my learning has suggested that Iceberg is the way to go over PackageMaker so I'm reading Iceberg's user guide and trying to understand how it works. One of our engineers is working on converting the "External Code" we used to run in VISE and VISE X to a command-line app that can be called from Installer via scripts. > > So, welcome to me. It is nice to meet you too. > > Wes Plate We used InstallerVISE when it was bundled with FileScripter Pro...which was bundled with NetOctopus (along with Timbuktu, etc.). Ahhh...the old days of NetOctopus...which became LANrev...which became Absolute Manage... :) Can't push InstallerVISE installers. Iceberg, Composer, InstallEASE...there are several good packaging tools that all output properly formatted PKG/MPKG installers. But...Packagemaker is still the supported tool. So while I hardly ever use it (Iceberg is my fav, followed the Composer "easy button"), I still launch it to be familiar with it's functions, and I still study the man pages. The GUI is only marginally useful if you don't know what's happening underneath. Understanding the PKG/MPKG format is the key to using any of the tools... Don _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Hi, My name is Wes and I'm a VISE user
by Wes Plate 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com For about ten years we've been using VISE to make our installers. For they most part they have worked fine so we weren't motivated to check out the alternatives. Recently we've had more users complain that the installers won't run for them, the installer app crashes or has other odd behavior preventing a successful install. Mindvision has been unable to shine any light on why these users are having trouble, so we're looking at moving off VISE. That brings me here, to lurk and learn and eventually ask questions. So far my learning has suggested that Iceberg is the way to go over PackageMaker so I'm reading Iceberg's user guide and trying to understand how it works. One of our engineers is working on converting the "External Code" we used to run in VISE and VISE X to a command-line app that can be called from Installer via scripts. So, welcome to me. It is nice to meet you too. -- Wes Plate wes(a)automaticduck.com http://www.automaticduck.com/ _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Any up-to-date documentation about os x software distribution?
by Doug Brown 27 Apr '11

27 Apr '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 20 April 2011 21:25, Ulf Dunkel <dunkel(a)icalamus.net> wrote: > Technically spoken, I see that more and more software distributors stop > distributing .dmg packages in favor of .zip archives. We also prefer .zip > archives which are automatically unzipped and checked in the main available > browsers. Users are used to drag apps into the Applications folder > themselves, but don't always want to overwrite existing versions with the > same app name. So .zip archives are a more convenient way. I couldn't disagree more. DMG are a far superior method of software distribution and I have not seen more software distributors recently using the zip archive format in preference of DMG as you have stated. > (And, by the way: DMG views looks rather ugly when you have hidden files > switched visible.) This is a non-issue. I would be curious to know the need for showing hidden files. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Auto-expand Choices
by Adam Peck 25 Apr '11

25 Apr '11

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Alternative installation locations
by Dave Barker-Plummer 23 Apr '11

23 Apr '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com -- Dave _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… I am using packagemaker 3.0.3 to build an installer. I need to install a folder and a font. Users of my installer may not have admin privileges. If they do not, I would like them to be able to install our folder into their home folder (~), and the font into into their ~/Library/Fonts folder. Otherwise, we should install into /Applications and /Library/Fonts respectively. I am having two problems, perhaps because of my naivete concerning PM. The first concerns permissions: I can set up PM to allow installation "for all users" or "just this user", which sounds like what I want. But I can find no way of specifying that the admin password will be required in one case, and not in the other. If I specify "require admin password", then a user with no admin privileges is prompted for admin privileges even if they are installing into their home directory (and so can't install). On the other hand, if I do not "require admin password", then the installation fails ungracefully if the user tries to install in the system directory. The second problem is that when I install into the users home directory, the font file is placed in their home directory, rather then respecting the Library/Fonts path. Does anyone have any advice on these questions? It seems like these ought to be common things to want to do. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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