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Re: .pkg stored on Windows Servers
by Allen Hancock 27 May '11

27 May '11

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.pkg stored on Windows Servers
by Michele Corum 27 May '11

27 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=mcorum(a)cisco.com; l=589; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1306454786; x=1307664386; h=date:subject:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=235siGqSuNb3XuNOjOdDMcr3lxER5l0tnZ9XV7P+Ywo=; b=DW6ra7q5X5Z+ldmoKO9gMCkVTx5Q7cYLHWN2RCp7oFWtykLX9V+nE2jx Yr0UVeN/WyZ9nKyxV/VKQI/5JkXAP8i2Jp7NBuYXgmZhULWxC4XUoiCsV c0QztzKLTsyivTCqxbrqVjNnnvcVJO3Qr2CkfE4zslSXE7PWC3nZygR3j M=; Thread-index: AcwcAjmsEmjyQYVhO0KYrdJEveTGyA== Thread-topic: .pkg stored on Windows Servers User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.23.0.091001 I have created a simple distribution .pkg. When it is copied to a Windows 2003 server share, the .pkg is no longer recognized as a single file, rather it shows up as a directory. Normally I turn the .pkg into .dmg which solves the issue. However I am being asked to create a .pkg that is readable as a single .pkg on the Windows platform. Is this possible and how do I do that? Michele Corum Macintosh Engineer/Developer aap3 at Cisco Systems, Inc. 400 East Tasman Drive, SJ12-4, F3 San Jose, California 95134 Desk 408.853.3430 Cell 925.586.6173 mcorum(a)cisco.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Any up-to-date documentation about os x software distribution?
by John Gee 09 May '11

09 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com On 6/05/2011, at 21:48, Ulf Dunkel wrote: > A rough comparison between ZIP and DMG We have an installer, but it gets distributed with additional files so we still needed to decide between ZIP and DMG. For us a DMG has worked much better than a ZIP file for distribution because it is more robust to being passed around, especially via email. Previously we had regular problems with antivirus programs stripping zip from emails, and with intermediate people in a chain unzipping the archive on Windows and passing on a mangled folder. Now that we are using a dmg, the contents are only accessible on the platform for which they are intended. -- John Gee, ADInstruments Programmers live in interesting times... _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Any up-to-date documentation about os x software distribution?
by Doug Brown 09 May '11

09 May '11

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Re: Any up-to-date documentation about os x software distribution?
by Karl Kuehn 06 May '11

06 May '11

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Re: Iceberg: how to Require components of sub-meta-package that is set Selected?
by Stephane Sudre 06 May '11

06 May '11

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Re: Any up-to-date documentation about os x software distribution?
by Stephane Sudre 06 May '11

06 May '11

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Re: Any up-to-date documentation about os x software distribution?
by Ulf Dunkel 06 May '11

06 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Organization: invers Software & DSD.net User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 The issue with drag& drop dmg and zip files are that the owner and group are not correct in the end. The trend seems to be for applications to be root:wheel in /Applications. ---UlfDunkel _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This is true for MAS installed apps (for several reasons), but not for non-MAS distributed apps, as far as I can see. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Any up-to-date documentation about os x software distribution?
by Ulf Dunkel 06 May '11

06 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com Organization: invers Software & DSD.net User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 Hi Doug. Maybe this discussion can be of interest for you: <http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/07/24/installing-applications-on-the-mac…> <http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/07/25/more-on-installing-applications/> Please take the time to learn the benefits of using the DMG format over traditional archives. A feature that comes to mind is the built-in checksumming to detect corruption. I particularly like this feature when I need to backup an entire filesystem and need confirmation that the image taken isn't corrupt. A rough comparison between ZIP and DMG -------------------------------------- Download a ZIP from a website. + It is automatically unzipped by the browser. + You can either run it directly from the Downloads folder, or + you can drag it to any place on your computer. + The Download a DMG from a website. + It is automatically decompressed and mounted by the browser/system. + You can run it directly from the mounted virtual drive (silly). + You can drag it to any place on your computer. - You have to remove the DMG from your Downloads folder yourself. Your turn. ;-) ---UlfDunkel _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… But you'll surely know that ZIP also has a built-in checksumming, right? DMG is perfect for entire filesystem backups. It isn't really handy for app installation on the second view. - When it contains more than one component (we often see Readme.RTF, Manual.PDF, Purchase.webloc and other stuff), you will have to open a Finder window for the Applications folder, create an app subfolder there, then drag all components from the virtual drive to this subfolder, in order not to clutter your Applications folder. - You have to unmount the virtual drive by clicking on the Eject icon in a Finder window, by dragging the drive icon to the Trash in the Dock or by using a context menu command. (Not too intuitive.) PS: Whenever an application comes with more than just the app bundle, I would always prefer a real installation package, no ZIP, no DMG. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Iceberg: how to Require components of sub-meta-package that is set Selected?
by Howard Moon 05 May '11

05 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com It looks like I have to have at least one sub-component that is NOT set to Required in order for me to be able to set its parent component to Selected and have it behave as I expect. Even if I hand-edit the info.plist files in the resulting mpkg's sub-packages, once all sub-components are required, the parent component appears as required when the installer is run. Unfortunately, there are no files that I can allow to be unselected within any of the main component packages, once that package itself is selected. -Howard On May 5, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Howard Moon wrote: > Hi, > > I need to have several options (Selected) components in my mpkg installer, but each of those has two components of their own that needs to be Required if its parent component is selected. Is this possible? > > I tried simply setting the main component meta-packages to Selected, and setting the sub-components of each of those to Required, but unfortunately, when I run the installer, the main components cannot be un-selected. It's as if they are set to Required by the fact that their sub-components are Required. > > I can't just set everything to Selected, because then the user could select a component but un-select any of its sub-components, and the software wouldn't install correctly. > > I need to be able to select or de-select a given component, but IF it's selected, then they should NOT be able to de-select its sub-components. How would I go about doing that? > > Thanks, > Howard > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/howard%40antarestech.c… > > This email sent to howard(a)antarestech.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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