site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev@lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) John Brisbin _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a... Brett George wrote: Package Maker v3 is full of bugs and pretty much useless. I recommend copying across an old copy from Tiger. When I needed to make installer construction part of the automated process, I reached the same conclusion independently, long before joining this list. I might have been more tactful, or I might not. In my case, the deal breaker that I could not work around was the loss of permissions. That was not the only issue, just the one that made it impossible to use. When 3.1 (PackageMaker 3.0.2) came out, I gave it another try and tripped over new (or perhaps previously undiscovered problems). I returned again to the 2.1.1 build. UI improvements may be fine. Don't need 'em. Need basic functionality with command line invocation. This should hardly be news to anyone who reads this list, but I hope it might become a bit more important in the developer's (or their manager's) minds. Fortunately, we still target 10.4 (and will for some time) so any 10.5 features tend to be unused anyway. This means there is still time for us (and most developers with existing products) to allow the tool to mature enough to be useful. This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com