site_archiver@lists.apple.com Delivered-To: installer-dev@lists.apple.com User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (Macintosh/20070716) That may be true, but supporting simple Cocoa bundles does not rely on any OS-specific feature. I can write a single Cocoa app as a bundle that runs on both 10.4 and 10.3 and since installer plugins are simple bundles, there is no reason the installer in 10.3 cannot support them (no technology-specific requirement such as Spotlight, etc). As for "will in the future", when exactly might that be? I've got a product to release now and I'm going to be forced to have 2 different SKU's for it just over the installer issue because I'm going to have to build a VISE installer and pay them royalties for our 10.3 users. Either that or write my own installer from scratch and dump Apple's junk once and for all (which will delay my product another month). If I can write an installer that can run on both 10.3 and 10.4 from scratch, I imagine Apple can manage it with it's 1000+ engineers Steve is always bragging about. 23% of OS X users are still on 10.3 according to The Steve's big glossy pie-chart at WWDC. Am I supposed to just ignore a quarter of the entire customer base because Apple's can make a simple change to the installer in a 10.3.x update? Or spend an extra month writing what Apple should have just to be able to sell to that 23%? I have been a Mac developer for 17 years but I am getting tired of having to jump through hoops to get my product to work on 3 versions of the OS and doing things Apple should provide in the first place. Mike They just added stuff that were not available in 10.3. Would you prefer they did not add anything from 10.3 to 10.4? *I* would prefer they push updates to the Installer.app back to 10.3, especially such crucial ones. Apple are worse than Microsoft for this crap... far far worse... MS could have made MSI only work on 2K/XP, but no - it works on 9x as well. This email sent to lists@michael-amorose.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a... Bill Coderre wrote: On Jul 24, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Peter Mulholland wrote: Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 12:34:57 PM, someone wrote: Apple in the past has revised older installer versions for security issues, and I imagine that they will in the future. Note that there are a LOT of interdependencies between the installer and the OS, because of the way that the OS gets installed (we boot off the new OS while installing it). So pushing the new installer features back to older OS versions is a very difficult task, and we could "never," for example, support installer features that rely on, say, Spotlight. But. Please file a bug like this, and tell all your friends to add a "me too." _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Installer-dev mailing list (Installer-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/installer-dev/lists%40michael-amorose... This email sent to site_archiver@lists.apple.com