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Final cut export plugin
by Claus Lavendt 24 Mar '04

24 Mar '04

Hi Ugur > > I need the actual video/audio, i.e. I need to get each frame in DV, and > each audio sample in 48kHz 16-bit format. --- that will be an export of the edited movie into your media format... > The original media files will be stored in the mac, and only the edited, > ready-to-broadcast clips are required to be present in the server, so > EDL is not to our use. > > Our device supports only DV-25, so mpeg / IMX is not considered for now. > > As far as I can understand, I need to write some component in quicktime > (which will take video frames, pack them together in the custom > media-file format, and send it to our server with ftp ), and then tell > Final Cut to render to this one (format?/component?). As the original > clips will always be in dv25 format, I hope it is possible to get frames > in compressed format (so that recompression is not required). ---- You should probably write an encoding algorirthm in a format which quicktime can understand. Then you will take your edited (and rendered) movie in FCP and then making an export with quicktime, using your encoding algorithm. Then you will have the final movie in your format. ...... Then use a ftp tranfer program or set up an folder with folder actions, that will transfer the final movie to your ftp server... > In the Quicktime documentation I found an entry > http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/REF/refDataExchange.e > .htm > I think this might be it. > > Thanks all for your kind help. > > Ugur Turan. > Sincerely / Med venlig hilsen Claus Lavendt *********************************** This message was sent from: Lavendt Com Tel: +45 2085 8294 email: mail(a)lavendt.com Internet: www.lavendt.com *********************************** _______________________________________________ pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: Final Cut plug-in development
by Richard Collins 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

Hello, My informal queries to Apple in this area tell me that FCP plugins use an interface similar to, or derived from, that used for After Effects from around version 3. So you would need to get hold of an old SDK for AE. It would be good if Apple could do better than this, and provide an SDK for FCP plugins. regards Richard Collins _______________________________________________ pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: Final Cut plug-in development
by Anders Holck Petersen 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

Just to make the record straight, I'm not into writing an Import / export component at this time. The XML format is just the data sent from FCP, you would still have to know about how to hook into the FCP app, by creating an Import / export component, which as I read it, was what the original poster wanted. What I wanted to say really was thet there is no info on ADC to document the Import / export component API of FCP, the only document there is is the definition af the XML code so you know how to interpretate it. But this is not API documentation. Am I missing something? The XML format is a big step in the right direction, but I believe FCP is still too closed. Sparse documentation on how to write basic components to enhance fcp would be very powerfull (although things could break easily) Maybe they could release the source code for some of the basic FCP components.(ok, i'm dreaming) And as it is now the effect plug-in writers face troubles as well. In FCP you have three choices, if you want to do plug-ins: - Quicktimer fx: No custom interface, Only 8-bit but secure. very limited. - fx-script: Very easy to master, No custom interface, float YUV, really unsecure even with enchoded plugs, no way to include custom routines or c code. - AE. Powerfull, old version 3 only, only 8-bit rgb , custom interface but only as a modal window which lock's the FCP interface until you exit it. By saying fx-script is unsecure I just wanted to point out that even the encoded plugins can be seen as human readable text if you know where to look. By using a simple copy and paste in an text editor you can actually copy all the enchoded plugins into new unencoded plugins. Not good if you have functions of a plug that you want to protect or if you seed demo versions of a plug and an advanced user can remove a watermark in 1 minute. FCP needs to allow developers to write function enritching components and a new plugin standard that is secure, supports float YUV, supports real custom code and one that supports resources, like a non modal custom interface. As i read through the above, I am aware that I sound a little rude. This is not intended, it's just a sideeffect of being Danish :) _______________________________________________ pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: Final Cut plug-in development
by Philip Hodgetts 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

At 1:47 AM -0800 3/23/04, Anders Holck Petersen wrote: I was aware of those documents, but none of them actually cover any information about creating a import / export plug in to FCP. It covers how to write XML spport to an external app, so you can import/ export in your own app, how to write codecs, vdigs and effects in quicktime API and how to write fxscript. But I still can't find ANY ressource on how to write an actual import / export metadata plugin for FCP. XML is, afaik, the wya to write an import/export metadata plug-in for FCP. But as for writing a QT component, that's a whole different ball game. -- Philip Hodgetts President Intelligent Assistance, Inc philip(a)IntelligentAssistance.com "At a mere $35, Practical Color Correction from Intelligent Assistance is a Must Buy for anyone doing color correction and needs guidance now and then. Great tips, informative advice, and real world examples, ranks this in the top three sources for color correction information" Stephen Schleicher http://www.hollywoodindustry.com/2004/03_mar/reviews/practicalcolorcorrecti… _______________________________________________ pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: Final Cut plug-in development
by Anders Holck Petersen 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

I was aware of those documents, but none of them actually cover any information about creating a import / export plug in to FCP. It covers how to write XML spport to an external app, so you can import/ export in your own app, how to write codecs, vdigs and effects in quicktime API and how to write fxscript. But I still can't find ANY ressource on how to write an actual import / export metadata plugin for FCP. This was of course advertised of the FCP product page in the same column as the AAF fetures of FCP, and those are of couse working as of niw, right :) (No pun intended!) Best Regards Anders Holck _______________________________________________ pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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RE: Final Cut plug-in development
by Martin Baker 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

I think Ugur and Anders want to develop a custom plugin which will appear in the import/export menus in the same way that the currently shipping Automatic Duck ones do (www.automaticduck.com) This is different to the standard XML import/export procedures and AFAIK there is no public documentation on how to do it. Perhaps someone from the FCP team will clarify the situation? Martin Baker www.digital-heaven.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: pro-apps-dev-admin(a)lists.apple.com > [mailto:pro-apps-dev-admin@lists.apple.com]On Behalf Of Anders Holck > Petersen > Sent: 23 March 2004 10:48 > To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com > Subject: Re: Final Cut plug-in development > > > I was aware of those documents, but none of them actually cover any > information about creating a import / export plug in to FCP. > > It covers how to write XML spport to an external app, so you can import/ > export in your own app, how to write codecs, vdigs and effects in quicktime > API and how to write fxscript. > > But I still can't find ANY ressource on how to write an actual import / > export metadata plugin for FCP. > > This was of course advertised of the FCP product page in the same column as > the AAF fetures of FCP, and those are of couse working as of niw, right :) > > > (No pun intended!) > > Best Regards > > Anders Holck > _______________________________________________ > pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com > Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. _______________________________________________ pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: Final Cut plug-in development
by Claus Lavendt 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

Go to the developer site on www.apple.com and try searching. Regarding quicktime developer sdk try to take a look at: http://developer.apple.com/quicktime/ Regarding Final cut / apple applications and xml take a look at: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Conceptual/FinalC utPro_XML/FinalCutPro_XML.pdf http://developer.apple.com/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/GS_AppleApplicati ons/ http://developer.apple.com/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/GS_AppleApplicati ons/ Sincerely / Med venlig hilsen Claus Lavendt *********************************** This message was sent from: Lavendt Com Tel: +45 2085 8294 email: mail(a)lavendt.com Internet: www.lavendt.com *********************************** On 23.03.2004 09:56, "Anders Holck Petersen" <a_holck(a)mac.com> wrote: > Hmmm, I can't find anything on Apples new plug in SDK. > > Only the XML format description and FXscript primer show up. > > Are you seeing anythig else? > > Best Regards > Anders Holck > > > > On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 11:22PM, Claus Lavendt <mail(a)lavendt.com> wrote: > >> Hi Ugur >> >> I don't know what exactly output you need. Is it a cutting list like EDL ? >> Or is it the actual video / audio ? >> This makes a great difference. >> If you need to make a cutting list in a specific format, I would consider >> using Apple's widely implemented XML and maybe look deeper into Apple Pro >> Plug-in SDK, which you can find more about on apple's developer connection >> webpages. >> >> If you need to export the actual video / audio please keep in mind that FCP >> is where you set up in which order you want to put your raw video / audio >> material. This means that only when you render the material, FCP is writing >> a real file. FCP is using Quicktime, which has a wide range of different >> encoding formats. So if you need to export the actual video / audio you >> should look at quicktime. And if your required format is not availble, you >> need to develop an encoding format, into some kind of plugin, which >> Quicktime can read. (Quicktime is actual crossplatform, which should mean >> that encoding formats can be used on both windows and mac) >> >> Hope this help. >> >> ....don't hesitate buying a mac....the coolest computer on earth ! >> >> >> >> >> >> Sincerely / Med venlig hilsen >> >> Claus Lavendt >> >> *********************************** >> This message was sent from: >> Lavendt Com >> Tel: +45 2085 8294 >> email: mail(a)lavendt.com >> Internet: www.lavendt.com >> *********************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 23.03.2004 07:01, "pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com" >> <pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com> wrote: >> >>> Send pro-apps-dev mailing list submissions to >>> pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> pro-apps-dev-admin(a)lists.apple.com >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of pro-apps-dev digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Final Cut plug-in development (Ugur TURAN) >>> >>> --__--__-- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Subject: Final Cut plug-in development >>> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:50:46 +0200 >>> From: "Ugur TURAN" <ugur.turan(a)isoft.com.tr> >>> To: <pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com> >>> >>> Hi, >>> I am new to development in Mac. I need to develop an export plug-in for >>> Final Cut Pro, which will export the movie in a custom format, and will >>> transmit it via FTP to a remote server (the remote server is actually a >>> Thomson/GrassValley M-Series video server, which only accepts files in >>> its custom GXF format with FTP). >>> >>> I already built a plug-in for Premiere Pro for windows, which works >>> fine. Now I am asked to do it on Final Cut Pro. I wandered around the >>> docs I could find on the developer.apple.com site, but could not find >>> anything that looked like a Final Cut SDK. >>> >>> All I need to know that if it is possible to write a custom-exporter >>> plug-in (like in Premiere ) using Mac/Final Cut. If it is possible, our >>> department will order a mac for development purposes. >>> >>> Any help/recommendation will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Ugur Turan >>> Software Engineer >>> >>> >>> --__--__-- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: >>> http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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RE: Final Cut plug-in development
by Ugur TURAN 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

Hi again, I need the actual video/audio, i.e. I need to get each frame in DV, and each audio sample in 48kHz 16-bit format. The original media files will be stored in the mac, and only the edited, ready-to-broadcast clips are required to be present in the server, so EDL is not to our use. Our device supports only DV-25, so mpeg / IMX is not considered for now. As far as I can understand, I need to write some component in quicktime (which will take video frames, pack them together in the custom media-file format, and send it to our server with ftp ), and then tell Final Cut to render to this one (format?/component?). As the original clips will always be in dv25 format, I hope it is possible to get frames in compressed format (so that recompression is not required). In the Quicktime documentation I found an entry http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/REF/refDataExchange.e .htm I think this might be it. Thanks all for your kind help. Ugur Turan. _______________________________________________ pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: Final Cut plug-in development
by Anders Holck Petersen 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

Hmmm, I can't find anything on Apples new plug in SDK. Only the XML format description and FXscript primer show up. Are you seeing anythig else? Best Regards Anders Holck On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 11:22PM, Claus Lavendt <mail(a)lavendt.com> wrote: >Hi Ugur > >I don't know what exactly output you need. Is it a cutting list like EDL ? >Or is it the actual video / audio ? >This makes a great difference. >If you need to make a cutting list in a specific format, I would consider >using Apple's widely implemented XML and maybe look deeper into Apple Pro >Plug-in SDK, which you can find more about on apple's developer connection >webpages. > >If you need to export the actual video / audio please keep in mind that FCP >is where you set up in which order you want to put your raw video / audio >material. This means that only when you render the material, FCP is writing >a real file. FCP is using Quicktime, which has a wide range of different >encoding formats. So if you need to export the actual video / audio you >should look at quicktime. And if your required format is not availble, you >need to develop an encoding format, into some kind of plugin, which >Quicktime can read. (Quicktime is actual crossplatform, which should mean >that encoding formats can be used on both windows and mac) > >Hope this help. > >....don't hesitate buying a mac....the coolest computer on earth ! > > > > > >Sincerely / Med venlig hilsen > >Claus Lavendt > >*********************************** >This message was sent from: >Lavendt Com >Tel: +45 2085 8294 >email: mail(a)lavendt.com >Internet: www.lavendt.com >*********************************** > > > > > > > >On 23.03.2004 07:01, "pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com" ><pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com> wrote: > >> Send pro-apps-dev mailing list submissions to >> pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> pro-apps-dev-admin(a)lists.apple.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of pro-apps-dev digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Final Cut plug-in development (Ugur TURAN) >> >> --__--__-- >> >> Message: 1 >> Subject: Final Cut plug-in development >> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:50:46 +0200 >> From: "Ugur TURAN" <ugur.turan(a)isoft.com.tr> >> To: <pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com> >> >> Hi, >> I am new to development in Mac. I need to develop an export plug-in for >> Final Cut Pro, which will export the movie in a custom format, and will >> transmit it via FTP to a remote server (the remote server is actually a >> Thomson/GrassValley M-Series video server, which only accepts files in >> its custom GXF format with FTP). >> >> I already built a plug-in for Premiere Pro for windows, which works >> fine. Now I am asked to do it on Final Cut Pro. I wandered around the >> docs I could find on the developer.apple.com site, but could not find >> anything that looked like a Final Cut SDK. >> >> All I need to know that if it is possible to write a custom-exporter >> plug-in (like in Premiere ) using Mac/Final Cut. If it is possible, our >> department will order a mac for development purposes. >> >> Any help/recommendation will be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> Ugur Turan >> Software Engineer >> >> >> --__--__-- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com >> Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: >> http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> >> >> >> End of pro-apps-dev Digest >_______________________________________________ >pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com >Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev >Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. _______________________________________________ pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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Re: Final Cut plug-in development
by Claus Lavendt 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

Hi Ugur I don't know what exactly output you need. Is it a cutting list like EDL ? Or is it the actual video / audio ? This makes a great difference. If you need to make a cutting list in a specific format, I would consider using Apple's widely implemented XML and maybe look deeper into Apple Pro Plug-in SDK, which you can find more about on apple's developer connection webpages. If you need to export the actual video / audio please keep in mind that FCP is where you set up in which order you want to put your raw video / audio material. This means that only when you render the material, FCP is writing a real file. FCP is using Quicktime, which has a wide range of different encoding formats. So if you need to export the actual video / audio you should look at quicktime. And if your required format is not availble, you need to develop an encoding format, into some kind of plugin, which Quicktime can read. (Quicktime is actual crossplatform, which should mean that encoding formats can be used on both windows and mac) Hope this help. ....don't hesitate buying a mac....the coolest computer on earth ! Sincerely / Med venlig hilsen Claus Lavendt *********************************** This message was sent from: Lavendt Com Tel: +45 2085 8294 email: mail(a)lavendt.com Internet: www.lavendt.com *********************************** On 23.03.2004 07:01, "pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com" <pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com> wrote: > Send pro-apps-dev mailing list submissions to > pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pro-apps-dev-admin(a)lists.apple.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pro-apps-dev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Final Cut plug-in development (Ugur TURAN) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Subject: Final Cut plug-in development > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:50:46 +0200 > From: "Ugur TURAN" <ugur.turan(a)isoft.com.tr> > To: <pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com> > > Hi, > I am new to development in Mac. I need to develop an export plug-in for > Final Cut Pro, which will export the movie in a custom format, and will > transmit it via FTP to a remote server (the remote server is actually a > Thomson/GrassValley M-Series video server, which only accepts files in > its custom GXF format with FTP). > > I already built a plug-in for Premiere Pro for windows, which works > fine. Now I am asked to do it on Final Cut Pro. I wandered around the > docs I could find on the developer.apple.com site, but could not find > anything that looked like a Final Cut SDK. > > All I need to know that if it is possible to write a custom-exporter > plug-in (like in Premiere ) using Mac/Final Cut. If it is possible, our > department will order a mac for development purposes. > > Any help/recommendation will be greatly appreciated. > > > Ugur Turan > Software Engineer > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com > Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: > http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > > > > End of pro-apps-dev Digest _______________________________________________ pro-apps-dev mailing list | pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/pro-apps-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.

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