February 2006 - Pro-apps-dev

Re: final cut sequence lost
by Kiel 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com This mostly happens, if you got a corrupt source file somewhere. Try to make all sources offline and go thru step by step to reload. What is the error message when importing the XML? Andreas On 17.02.2006, at 09:51, Pierre Maréchal wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Hi, working with FCP 5.0.4 I edited a few sequences in a project All seemed to be OK but after I have exported a master tape ( fortunatly ) and rebooted FCP, it was unable to open this last sequence. The project opens correctly but displays a warning like " not found " ( "introuvable" in my french version ) If i try to open the sequence it displays this warning again and then a second one like " memory full " ( " mémoire saturée " in the french version ) Of course it isn't full ( 2.5 Go for a 7 min sequence... ) Asking by Ctrl/click to relink media data, it reveals all links look good and online. All clips and previous sequences open and work fine except this one This sequence was duplicated and renamed from previous and since it was created, all backups of the project are corrupted ( autosave and forced B.U. files ) Suggested by Apple Enterprise Support, I have exported the project in XML ( OK ) but it failled to re-import in FCP What do you think about this ... is there any workarround ? Thanks Hardware: PowerPC G5 4 x 2.5 GHz / 2.5 Go / OS 10.4.4 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/kiel% 40spherico.com This email sent to kiel(a)spherico.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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final cut sequence lost
by Pierre Maréchal 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hardware: PowerPC G5 4 x 2.5 GHz / 2.5 Go / OS 10.4.4 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Hi, working with FCP 5.0.4 I edited a few sequences in a project All seemed to be OK but after I have exported a master tape ( fortunatly ) and rebooted FCP, it was unable to open this last sequence. The project opens correctly but displays a warning like " not found " ( "introuvable" in my french version ) If i try to open the sequence it displays this warning again and then a second one like " memory full " ( " mémoire saturée " in the french version ) Of course it isn't full ( 2.5 Go for a 7 min sequence... ) Asking by Ctrl/click to relink media data, it reveals all links look good and online. All clips and previous sequences open and work fine except this one This sequence was duplicated and renamed from previous and since it was created, all backups of the project are corrupted ( autosave and forced B.U. files ) Suggested by Apple Enterprise Support, I have exported the project in XML ( OK ) but it failled to re-import in FCP What do you think about this ... is there any workarround ? Thanks This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: subclips
by Rolf Howarth 06 Feb '06

06 Feb '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com -Rolf Hi Rolf Regards Andreas On 05.02.2006, at 11:45, Rolf Howarth wrote: Ok, here's another question then. -Rolf -- Rolf Howarth Square Box Systems Ltd Stratford-upon-Avon UK. http://www.squarebox.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/kiel%40spherico.com -- Rolf Howarth Square Box Systems Ltd Stratford-upon-Avon UK. http://www.squarebox.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Thanks for confirming that. Yes, we already insert a comment in the XML file that we export, but that doesn't help us much as we're unlikely to be re-loading these files into our app. Currently we artificially extend the duration of exported clips so they have the expected duration when imported into Final Cut Pro, but I don't know if that's a sensible strategy or not. We don't do any correction on import. That means if we import a Final Cut XML file we display it the same way as it was when it was exported, but not the same way as it would be if you import it into Final Cut Pro. At 1:11 pm +0100 6/2/06, Kiel wrote: I saw that error as well. For own usage I fix that internally and do insert a comment at the beginning of the XML, which tells me who did create it - my app (or Automatic Duck, as Wes includes a comment as well) or another one - in case there is no comment. I think it's a good idea for any developer to insert a comment at the root level of the XML. With the next releases of some of my apps I also will put an extra XML into the comment, which will allow others to parse version changes and handling of some nodes. This doesn't help really much in case Apple or other other companies you don't know about will fix or create bugs, but at least it keeps people who read your comments informed about what you are doing. To make it even more complicated be aware there are 3 versions of XML V1 out which are not really compatible "up-down" with the versions of FCP 4.1 thru 5.x When FCP imports an XML file describing subclips, it ignores the clip's stated duration but calculates it based on the file's duration and startoffset and endoffset. However, there seems to be a bug in FCP 5.0.4 and the processing of endoffset is out by one, so the subclip's duration (and Media End) is one frame too short after it's imported. You can see this by importing a subclip, exporting it and importing it again. Each time it gets shorter by one frame, which I take it to mean it's unequivocally a bug in Final Cut Pro, and not my understanding of the XML format :-) Has anyone else seen this? If so, how do you handle it? Do you process subclips the same (broken) way as Final Cut, to try to be compatible, or do it correctly and put up with durations being out by one frame compared to FCP? Obviously the danger with trying to correct for FCP's behaviour is that Apple might fix it in a future update. This email sent to kiel(a)spherico.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: subclips
by Kiel 06 Feb '06

06 Feb '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Rolf Regards Andreas On 05.02.2006, at 11:45, Rolf Howarth wrote: Ok, here's another question then. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I saw that error as well. For own usage I fix that internally and do insert a comment at the beginning of the XML, which tells me who did create it - my app (or Automatic Duck, as Wes includes a comment as well) or another one - in case there is no comment. I think it's a good idea for any developer to insert a comment at the root level of the XML. With the next releases of some of my apps I also will put an extra XML into the comment, which will allow others to parse version changes and handling of some nodes. This doesn't help really much in case Apple or other other companies you don't know about will fix or create bugs, but at least it keeps people who read your comments informed about what you are doing. To make it even more complicated be aware there are 3 versions of XML V1 out which are not really compatible "up-down" with the versions of FCP 4.1 thru 5.x When FCP imports an XML file describing subclips, it ignores the clip's stated duration but calculates it based on the file's duration and startoffset and endoffset. However, there seems to be a bug in FCP 5.0.4 and the processing of endoffset is out by one, so the subclip's duration (and Media End) is one frame too short after it's imported. You can see this by importing a subclip, exporting it and importing it again. Each time it gets shorter by one frame, which I take it to mean it's unequivocally a bug in Final Cut Pro, and not my understanding of the XML format :-) Has anyone else seen this? If so, how do you handle it? Do you process subclips the same (broken) way as Final Cut, to try to be compatible, or do it correctly and put up with durations being out by one frame compared to FCP? Obviously the danger with trying to correct for FCP's behaviour is that Apple might fix it in a future update. -Rolf -- Rolf Howarth Square Box Systems Ltd Stratford-upon-Avon UK. http://www.squarebox.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/kiel% 40spherico.com This email sent to kiel(a)spherico.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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subclips
by Rolf Howarth 05 Feb '06

05 Feb '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Ok, here's another question then. -Rolf -- Rolf Howarth Square Box Systems Ltd Stratford-upon-Avon UK. http://www.squarebox.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… When FCP imports an XML file describing subclips, it ignores the clip's stated duration but calculates it based on the file's duration and startoffset and endoffset. However, there seems to be a bug in FCP 5.0.4 and the processing of endoffset is out by one, so the subclip's duration (and Media End) is one frame too short after it's imported. You can see this by importing a subclip, exporting it and importing it again. Each time it gets shorter by one frame, which I take it to mean it's unequivocally a bug in Final Cut Pro, and not my understanding of the XML format :-) Has anyone else seen this? If so, how do you handle it? Do you process subclips the same (broken) way as Final Cut, to try to be compatible, or do it correctly and put up with durations being out by one frame compared to FCP? Obviously the danger with trying to correct for FCP's behaviour is that Apple might fix it in a future update. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FCP XML files
by Rolf Howarth 05 Feb '06

05 Feb '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Ok, thanks, that distinction is clear. -Rolf On Sun, Feb 5, 2006 4:17 PM, Rolf Howarth <rolf(a)squarebox.co.uk> wrote: Hmm, what does the following mean in an XML file exported from FCP 5? I thought ntsc TRUE means 29.97 fps (drop frame timecode), whereas NDF means non-drop frame. So, which is it...? <timecode> <rate> <timebase>30</timebase> <ntsc>TRUE</ntsc> </rate> <string>10:19:57:01</string> <displayformat>NDF</displayformat> <source>source</source> <reel> <name>038</name> </reel> </timecode> The <ntsc> tag means "divide timebase by 1.001", but it doesn't say anything at all timecode formatting. It does *not* mean 29.97, since it can also mean 23.976 if <timebase> is 24. The <displayformat> tag is what sets the formatting, which can be either DF or NDF, regardless of the frame rate. Timecode formatting and framerate are completely independent, although many of the combinations aren't commonly used. -- Rolf Howarth Square Box Systems Ltd Stratford-upon-Avon UK. http://www.squarebox.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I forgot that people might play back footage with non-drop frame timecode at 29.97 fps (or 23.98), so the displayed timecode is not actually hours, minutes and seconds but "slow" seconds. At 5:58 pm -0800 4/2/06, Bob Currier wrote: > <frame>1115911</frame> And, yes, it would be better if none of this 1.001 crap existed. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FCP XML files
by Bob Currier 05 Feb '06

05 Feb '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Sun, Feb 5, 2006 4:17 PM, Rolf Howarth <rolf(a)squarebox.co.uk> wrote: >Hmm, what does the following mean in an XML file exported from FCP 5? >I thought ntsc TRUE means 29.97 fps (drop frame timecode), whereas >NDF means non-drop frame. So, which is it...? > ><timecode> > <rate> > <timebase>30</timebase> > <ntsc>TRUE</ntsc> > </rate> > <string>10:19:57:01</string> > <frame>1115911</frame> > <displayformat>NDF</displayformat> > <source>source</source> > <reel> > <name>038</name> > </reel> ></timecode> The <ntsc> tag means "divide timebase by 1.001", but it doesn't say anything at all timecode formatting. It does *not* mean 29.97, since it can also mean 23.976 if <timebase> is 24. The <displayformat> tag is what sets the formatting, which can be either DF or NDF, regardless of the frame rate. Timecode formatting and framerate are completely independent, although many of the combinations aren't commonly used. And, yes, it would be better if none of this 1.001 crap existed. ----- Bob Currier rcurrier(a)synthetic-ap.com Synthetic Aperture voice: +1 949 493-3444 Helping Make Your Work Look Its Best fax: +1 949 203-2108 web: www.synthetic-ap.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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FCP XML files
by Rolf Howarth 05 Feb '06

05 Feb '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <timecode> <rate> <timebase>30</timebase> <ntsc>TRUE</ntsc> </rate> <string>10:19:57:01</string> <frame>1115911</frame> <displayformat>NDF</displayformat> <source>source</source> <reel> <name>038</name> </reel> </timecode> -- Rolf Howarth Square Box Systems Ltd Stratford-upon-Avon UK. http://www.squarebox.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Hmm, what does the following mean in an XML file exported from FCP 5? I thought ntsc TRUE means 29.97 fps (drop frame timecode), whereas NDF means non-drop frame. So, which is it...? This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Test Ignore
by bchris 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Test please ignore _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Extending FCP Send To menu
by Wes Plate 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thread-index: AcYngUpziMZl45N0EdquiQANky4pPg== Thread-topic: Extending FCP Send To menu User-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 On 2/1/06 10:38 AM, "Rolf Howarth" wrote: > Final Cut Pro has a Send To menu, with items such as Motion, > Soundtrack Pro and Shake. Is it possible to extend this menu so > selected clips are sent to a 3rd party application as an FCP XML file? I believe the answer is "No." -- Wes Plate Automatic Duck, Inc. http://www.automaticduck.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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