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Re: image formats for rendering, etc.
by Pierre Jasmin 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Importance: Normal User-agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-4.0.1.el4 Are you linearizing when it's 32 bit and not when it's 8 bit? If so, quick note on the issues of linearization : 1) there is a class of image one could define as "non color data" which should not be linearized, alpha being the most common (right an alpha should be considered already linear), other more exotic but not that much examples would include for example a Zbuffer or UV map. If you play with the public beta of AE8 you will see now that per source footage you can turn off color management so one can properly handle "non color image data" (by properly I mean it does not get gamma transform baked, is assumed to already be linearized)... so such class of images is not affected. 2) A usual problem that derives from this linearized/delinearized thing (which does not work in 8 bits, especially on top of a cascade of premult-unmult) is not understanding as a plugin where mid-grey is, and it can be problematic if say a slider set to threshold 0.5 which is 127-128 in 8 bit becomes 0.18 (0.5 * 1/gamma2.2) in one pixel path and stays 0.5 in another pixel path... (make a greyscale ramp in 8 bit within the app, although the round trip to float with linearization might be non-destructive, I am hoping it won't shift 0.5 to be if I am rgb motion gamma 0.5 X 1/gamma2.2, and to be if I am yuv fcp to 0.5 X 1/gamma1.8). A possible solution is to provide an inverse gamma value associated with the image node (not unlike the premult flag, or like QT does with gamma on Mac but not on Windows). In the case of an internally generated greyscale ramp (any synthetic image) what do you do, it's already linear (it needs to get the same already linear tag as the UV map or the matte). Knowing the inverse gamma would allow one to internally always produce the same result independent of pixel path by adapting the meaning of color related parameters. Pierre > > On Jun 6, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Peter Litwinowicz wrote: > >>>> And then there's this question: if my input image is given in a >>>> particular format, will all clipwells for the plugin ALSO be >>>> converted to the same format, or do they each have their own >>>> formats we need to deal with? >>> >>> In Motion, since all images are RGB, you only have to worry about >>> bit depth, and we take care of that for you by promoting >>> everything to the same bit depth. I'm not sure about FCP. >>> >> Okay, good to know. So I get floating point images within Motion >> if the image that my effect is applied to is 8 bit, and the image >> in my clipwell is floating point (can this happen with Motion? Im >> unclear whether floating point/8Bit is a project setting or a per- >> clip setting). Can this go into the doc? >> > > It's a project setting. If the project is 8-bit, everything you > receive should be 8-bit. If the project is 32-bit, everything you > receive should be 32-bit. And yes it can go into the docs. :) > > Darrin > -- > Darrin Cardani > dcardani(a)apple.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/jasmin%40revisionfx.com > > This email sent to jasmin(a)revisionfx.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: image formats for rendering, etc.
by Darrin Cardani 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

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Re: image formats for rendering, etc.
by Paul Schneider 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

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RE: FCP 6 Applescript...
by Mike 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

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RE: FCP 6 Applescript...
by mike＠b-scenefilms.com 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Web-Based Email 4.9.43 I would like to know this too. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: FCP 6 Applescript... > From: "Michael Miller" <michaelmiller(a)gmail.com> > Date: Thu, June 07, 2007 2:02 pm > To: "Helena Ju" <hju(a)apple.com> > Cc: mike(a)b-scenefilms.com, pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com > > Is there documentation somewhere that describes the type of MIDI control > that FCP supports? In particular, I'd be interested in starting and > stopping > the record functionality within the voiceover tool. > > I don't mean to change the subject or anything, but using MIDI to control > FCP never occurred to me :) > > -Michael Miller > > On 6/7/07, Helena Ju <hju(a)apple.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I'm not allowed to comment on future releases. I will point out that > > implementing AppleScript support is a fair bit of work. > > > > Cheers, > > Helena > > On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:34 PM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: > > > > > Thanks, Helena. That helps a LOT. My wife is an editor and FCP > > > user. I am a developer and she has asked me recently to figure out > > > a way to automate some of her logging tasks so after looking at > > > AppleScript and noticing that FCP 5.1.x did not have a dictionary I > > > figured I would have to learn fxplug or something to try to > > > automate things for her. The TC project was just something that I > > > figured would be easy to get my feet wet with and give her > > > something she could actually use before I jumped into trying to > > > automate a process in FCP. > > > > > > Is a lack of AppleScript support in FCP a deliberate omission or is > > > it planned for some future release? If you cannot say, that's > > > fine. Apple's "Funny how a ship can leak from the top" dealio is > > > well known to me :) > > > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > > >> Subject: Re: FCP 6 Applescript... > > >> From: Helena Ju <hju(a)apple.com> > > >> Date: Thu, June 07, 2007 1:16 pm > > >> To: mike(a)b-scenefilms.com > > >> Cc: Darrin Cardani <dcardani(a)apple.com>, pro-apps- > > >> dev(a)lists.apple.com > > >> > > >> Hi Mike, > > >> There are NO Apple Script capabilities within Final Cut Pro. > > >> Big Time is being done with MIDI. In addition FCP has some supported > > >> Apple Events (the documentation for which can be found at: > > >> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/ > > >> FinalCutPro_XML/index.html ), but those are sort of a way to get at > > >> the FCP XML and open/close projects, rather than get information > > >> about the user interaction... > > >> > > >> Hope that helps. > > >> Regards, > > >> Helena > > >> > > >> On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:55 AM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: > > >> > > >>> If FCP 6 now supports a dictionary for AppleScript, I presume that > > >>> is new in FCP6? I searched the manual for the keyword Applescript > > >>> and only found a reference to using it with SoundTrack Pro. > > >>> > > >>>> -------- Original Message -------- > > >>>> Subject: Re: Reading TC from FCP > > >>>> From: Darrin Cardani <dcardani(a)apple.com> > > >>>> Date: Thu, June 07, 2007 11:46 am > > >>>> To: mike(a)b-scenefilms.com > > >>>> Cc: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com > > >>>> > > >>>> On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:32 AM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I posted to another FXPlug group and was told that the FXPlug API > > >>>>> does not expose any of the TC data in the current FCP project. > My > > >>>>> intent was to create a simple TC calculator/converter plug in > > >>>>> as an > > >>>>> exercise to learn FXPlug. However, I see that Digital Heaven > > >>>>> reads > > >>>>> the TC out of FCP with their app "Big Time". Admittedly, it's > not > > >>>>> an FXPlug application. Does anyone have a good idea how they > > >>>>> might > > >>>>> be doing this? > > >>>> > > >>>> Mike, > > >>>> FxPlugs can get some timing information starting with FCP 6 and > > >>>> Motion 3, but it's not clear what you mean when you say you want > > >>>> time > > >>>> code data. Can you describe in more detail what you're trying to > > >>>> accomplish? It may be possible to do what you want. > > >>>> Looking at DigitalHeaven's website for BigTime (<http:// > > >>>> www.digital- > > >>>> heaven.co.uk/bigtime/>), it appears that it's probably making > > >>>> itself > > >>>> available as a MIDI device, and rather than sending the data > out to > > >>>> some actual MIDI hardware, it's displaying the information. That's > > >>>> just speculation on my part, though. It's an interesting idea! > > >>>> I believe that FCP 6 also has some AppleScript capabilities. I > > >>>> haven't worked with them, but it may be possible to get some > > >>>> information out of FCP via that route, too. > > >>>> But if you're just trying to learn FxPlug, definitely have a > look > > >>>> through the FxPlug sample code, and feel free to ask questions > > >>>> about > > >>>> what you're specifically trying to do or learn. > > >>>> > > >>>> Darrin > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Darrin Cardani > > >>>> dcardani(a)apple.com > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > > > > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/michaelmiller%40gmail.c… > > > > This email sent to michaelmiller(a)gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. 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Re: FCP 6 Applescript...
by Michael Miller 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

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Re: FCP 6 Applescript...
by Helena Ju 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Mike, Cheers, Helena On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:34 PM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: Hi Mike, There are NO Apple Script capabilities within Final Cut Pro. Big Time is being done with MIDI. In addition FCP has some supported Apple Events (the documentation for which can be found at: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/ FinalCutPro_XML/index.html ), but those are sort of a way to get at the FCP XML and open/close projects, rather than get information about the user interaction... Hope that helps. Regards, Helena On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:55 AM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: If FCP 6 now supports a dictionary for AppleScript, I presume that is new in FCP6? I searched the manual for the keyword Applescript and only found a reference to using it with SoundTrack Pro. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Reading TC from FCP From: Darrin Cardani <dcardani(a)apple.com> Date: Thu, June 07, 2007 11:46 am To: mike(a)b-scenefilms.com Cc: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:32 AM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: Darrin -- Darrin Cardani dcardani(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I'm not allowed to comment on future releases. I will point out that implementing AppleScript support is a fair bit of work. Thanks, Helena. That helps a LOT. My wife is an editor and FCP user. I am a developer and she has asked me recently to figure out a way to automate some of her logging tasks so after looking at AppleScript and noticing that FCP 5.1.x did not have a dictionary I figured I would have to learn fxplug or something to try to automate things for her. The TC project was just something that I figured would be easy to get my feet wet with and give her something she could actually use before I jumped into trying to automate a process in FCP. Is a lack of AppleScript support in FCP a deliberate omission or is it planned for some future release? If you cannot say, that's fine. Apple's "Funny how a ship can leak from the top" dealio is well known to me :) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: FCP 6 Applescript... From: Helena Ju <hju(a)apple.com> Date: Thu, June 07, 2007 1:16 pm To: mike(a)b-scenefilms.com Cc: Darrin Cardani <dcardani(a)apple.com>, pro-apps- dev(a)lists.apple.com I posted to another FXPlug group and was told that the FXPlug API does not expose any of the TC data in the current FCP project. My intent was to create a simple TC calculator/converter plug in as an exercise to learn FXPlug. However, I see that Digital Heaven reads the TC out of FCP with their app "Big Time". Admittedly, it's not an FXPlug application. Does anyone have a good idea how they might be doing this? Mike, FxPlugs can get some timing information starting with FCP 6 and Motion 3, but it's not clear what you mean when you say you want time code data. Can you describe in more detail what you're trying to accomplish? It may be possible to do what you want. Looking at DigitalHeaven's website for BigTime (<http:// www.digital- heaven.co.uk/bigtime/>), it appears that it's probably making itself available as a MIDI device, and rather than sending the data out to some actual MIDI hardware, it's displaying the information. That's just speculation on my part, though. It's an interesting idea! I believe that FCP 6 also has some AppleScript capabilities. I haven't worked with them, but it may be possible to get some information out of FCP via that route, too. But if you're just trying to learn FxPlug, definitely have a look through the FxPlug sample code, and feel free to ask questions about what you're specifically trying to do or learn. _______________________________________________ This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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RE: FCP 6 Applescript...
by mike＠b-scenefilms.com 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Web-Based Email 4.9.43 Thanks, Helena. That helps a LOT. My wife is an editor and FCP user. I am a developer and she has asked me recently to figure out a way to automate some of her logging tasks so after looking at AppleScript and noticing that FCP 5.1.x did not have a dictionary I figured I would have to learn fxplug or something to try to automate things for her. The TC project was just something that I figured would be easy to get my feet wet with and give her something she could actually use before I jumped into trying to automate a process in FCP. Is a lack of AppleScript support in FCP a deliberate omission or is it planned for some future release? If you cannot say, that's fine. Apple's "Funny how a ship can leak from the top" dealio is well known to me :) > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: FCP 6 Applescript... > From: Helena Ju <hju(a)apple.com> > Date: Thu, June 07, 2007 1:16 pm > To: mike(a)b-scenefilms.com > Cc: Darrin Cardani <dcardani(a)apple.com>, pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com > > Hi Mike, > There are NO Apple Script capabilities within Final Cut Pro. > Big Time is being done with MIDI. In addition FCP has some supported > Apple Events (the documentation for which can be found at: > http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/ > FinalCutPro_XML/index.html ), but those are sort of a way to get at > the FCP XML and open/close projects, rather than get information > about the user interaction... > > Hope that helps. > Regards, > Helena > > On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:55 AM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: > > > If FCP 6 now supports a dictionary for AppleScript, I presume that > > is new in FCP6? I searched the manual for the keyword Applescript > > and only found a reference to using it with SoundTrack Pro. > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: Reading TC from FCP > >> From: Darrin Cardani <dcardani(a)apple.com> > >> Date: Thu, June 07, 2007 11:46 am > >> To: mike(a)b-scenefilms.com > >> Cc: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com > >> > >> On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:32 AM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: > >> > >>> I posted to another FXPlug group and was told that the FXPlug API > >>> does not expose any of the TC data in the current FCP project. My > >>> intent was to create a simple TC calculator/converter plug in as an > >>> exercise to learn FXPlug. However, I see that Digital Heaven reads > >>> the TC out of FCP with their app "Big Time". Admittedly, it's not > >>> an FXPlug application. Does anyone have a good idea how they might > >>> be doing this? > >> > >> Mike, > >> FxPlugs can get some timing information starting with FCP 6 and > >> Motion 3, but it's not clear what you mean when you say you want time > >> code data. Can you describe in more detail what you're trying to > >> accomplish? It may be possible to do what you want. > >> Looking at DigitalHeaven's website for BigTime (<http://www.digital- > >> heaven.co.uk/bigtime/>), it appears that it's probably making itself > >> available as a MIDI device, and rather than sending the data out to > >> some actual MIDI hardware, it's displaying the information. That's > >> just speculation on my part, though. It's an interesting idea! > >> I believe that FCP 6 also has some AppleScript capabilities. I > >> haven't worked with them, but it may be possible to get some > >> information out of FCP via that route, too. > >> But if you're just trying to learn FxPlug, definitely have a look > >> through the FxPlug sample code, and feel free to ask questions about > >> what you're specifically trying to do or learn. > >> > >> Darrin > >> -- > >> Darrin Cardani > >> dcardani(a)apple.com > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FCP 6 Applescript...
by Helena Ju 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hope that helps. Regards, Helena On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:55 AM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Reading TC from FCP From: Darrin Cardani <dcardani(a)apple.com> Date: Thu, June 07, 2007 11:46 am To: mike(a)b-scenefilms.com Cc: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:32 AM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: I posted to another FXPlug group and was told that the FXPlug API does not expose any of the TC data in the current FCP project. My intent was to create a simple TC calculator/converter plug in as an exercise to learn FXPlug. However, I see that Digital Heaven reads the TC out of FCP with their app "Big Time". Admittedly, it's not an FXPlug application. Does anyone have a good idea how they might be doing this? Mike, FxPlugs can get some timing information starting with FCP 6 and Motion 3, but it's not clear what you mean when you say you want time code data. Can you describe in more detail what you're trying to accomplish? It may be possible to do what you want. Looking at DigitalHeaven's website for BigTime (<http://www.digital- heaven.co.uk/bigtime/>), it appears that it's probably making itself available as a MIDI device, and rather than sending the data out to some actual MIDI hardware, it's displaying the information. That's just speculation on my part, though. It's an interesting idea! I believe that FCP 6 also has some AppleScript capabilities. I haven't worked with them, but it may be possible to get some information out of FCP via that route, too. But if you're just trying to learn FxPlug, definitely have a look through the FxPlug sample code, and feel free to ask questions about what you're specifically trying to do or learn. Darrin -- Darrin Cardani dcardani(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Hi Mike, There are NO Apple Script capabilities within Final Cut Pro. Big Time is being done with MIDI. In addition FCP has some supported Apple Events (the documentation for which can be found at: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/ FinalCutPro_XML/index.html ), but those are sort of a way to get at the FCP XML and open/close projects, rather than get information about the user interaction... If FCP 6 now supports a dictionary for AppleScript, I presume that is new in FCP6? I searched the manual for the keyword Applescript and only found a reference to using it with SoundTrack Pro. _______________________________________________ This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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RE: Reading TC from FCP
by mike＠b-scenefilms.com 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Web-Based Email 4.9.43 > Or are you trying to add a new window to FCP's user > interface, and have it display the time code to the user of the > application? Yap, that one :) > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Reading TC from FCP > From: Darrin Cardani <dcardani(a)apple.com> > Date: Thu, June 07, 2007 12:03 pm > To: mike(a)b-scenefilms.com > Cc: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com > > I'm still not clear on what you're trying to do. Are you trying to > display the time code (possibly with conversion to feet or frames) on > the video? Or are you trying to add a new window to FCP's user > interface, and have it display the time code to the user of the > application? > > FxPlug is for manipulating frames of video data. It isn't for adding > functionality to the application. It doesn't provide any way to add > windows or menu items to the host application. In fact, an FxPlug > won't even be instantiated until the user applies it to some footage. > So unless you're planning on burning the timecode into a frame of > video (possibly after converting it to feet/frames), you probably > don't want to use FxPlug. > > You'd probably be better off writing a stand-alone application that > does what you need. You might see if you can get the current playhead > position via AppleEvents and use that to do what you need. You can > make your application's window be an "always-on-top" window so that > it is in front of FCP's windows and still usable when your app isn't > the front-most application. (Or maybe there's some other better way - > that's just an idea off the top of my head.) > > Darrin > > On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:53 AM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: > > > Basically, I want to be able to read the current TC value from the > > timeline (dynamically updating in my panel) for the plug-in. Then > > I can implement TC calculation functions such as +-/* as well as > > convert to feet/frames etc. That kind of thing. > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: Reading TC from FCP > >> From: Darrin Cardani <dcardani(a)apple.com> > >> Date: Thu, June 07, 2007 11:46 am > >> To: mike(a)b-scenefilms.com > >> Cc: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com > >> > >> On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:32 AM, mike(a)b-scenefilms.com wrote: > >> > >>> I posted to another FXPlug group and was told that the FXPlug API > >>> does not expose any of the TC data in the current FCP project. My > >>> intent was to create a simple TC calculator/converter plug in as an > >>> exercise to learn FXPlug. However, I see that Digital Heaven reads > >>> the TC out of FCP with their app "Big Time". Admittedly, it's not > >>> an FXPlug application. Does anyone have a good idea how they might > >>> be doing this? > >> > >> Mike, > >> FxPlugs can get some timing information starting with FCP 6 and > >> Motion 3, but it's not clear what you mean when you say you want time > >> code data. Can you describe in more detail what you're trying to > >> accomplish? It may be possible to do what you want. > >> Looking at DigitalHeaven's website for BigTime (<http://www.digital- > >> heaven.co.uk/bigtime/>), it appears that it's probably making itself > >> available as a MIDI device, and rather than sending the data out to > >> some actual MIDI hardware, it's displaying the information. That's > >> just speculation on my part, though. It's an interesting idea! > >> I believe that FCP 6 also has some AppleScript capabilities. I > >> haven't worked with them, but it may be possible to get some > >> information out of FCP via that route, too. > >> But if you're just trying to learn FxPlug, definitely have a look > >> through the FxPlug sample code, and feel free to ask questions about > >> what you're specifically trying to do or learn. > >> > >> Darrin > >> -- > >> Darrin Cardani > >> dcardani(a)apple.com > > -- > Darrin Cardani > dcardani(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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