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Re: Pro Application Support 4.0.1 breaks FxPlug in FCP6?
by Paul Schneider 01 Aug '07

01 Aug '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi, Garrick, - Paul On Aug 1, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Garrick Meeker wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… that looks like you have the wrong copy of ProFX.framework installed. ProFX.framework lives in /Library/Frameworks and is part of Pro Application Support. The installer might not have upgraded your ProFX.framework correctly. Try moving aside the framework, as well as the corresponding item in /Library/Receipts, and running the updater again. Let me know if that doesn't fix it. We just updated our FCP6 machine and no FxPlugs show up, including the bundled ones. It seems to be okay in 5.1.4. Maybe this error in the terminal is related? Has anyone else seen this? 2007-08-01 13:13:15.172 Final Cut Pro[674] *** -[PFXNodeManager setVersionProvider:]: selector not recognized [self = 0xb34a130] _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider% 40apple.com This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Pro Application Support 4.0.1 breaks FxPlug in FCP6?
by Garrick Meeker 01 Aug '07

01 Aug '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… We just updated our FCP6 machine and no FxPlugs show up, including the bundled ones. It seems to be okay in 5.1.4. Maybe this error in the terminal is related? Has anyone else seen this? 2007-08-01 13:13:15.172 Final Cut Pro[674] *** -[PFXNodeManager setVersionProvider:]: selector not recognized [self = 0xb34a130] This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: time & timecode semantics in XML exports
by Helena Ju 01 Aug '07

01 Aug '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <keyframe> <when>2758</when> <value>3172.5</value> <speedkfout>TRUE</speedkfout> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>2630</when> <value>2901.11</value> <speedkfin>TRUE</speedkfin> </keyframe> Regards, Helena _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Hi Andreas, I believe the one remaining issue is-- how do you know what are the source in and out when you have a time remap scope on a clipitem: In FCP the source in is shown as "3197" and out as "3172". Sorry - where are these numbers in FCP? are these keyframe values? In? Out? Duration? The numbers had been source in and source out. But as said I'm totally unsure how to retrieve source frames/tc from variable time remapped clips. Maybe I'm doing everything wrong. speedkfin/speedkfout/speedkfstart/speedkfend All these are indicators that this is the keyframe at in/out/start/ end. The newest version of the documentation describes these but I believe they were left out of some past iterations... so at time <when> in the clipitem, we're using frame <value> for the source. so tells us that the out is 3172. I'm confused by the in you describe (3197) since we see that is should be ~2901. What frames are actually shown at the in point (do you have TC burn in?) perhaps the 'in' shown in FCP is wrong? Certainly in the XML import code, we'd be using this value as the 'in' when we process... This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: time & timecode semantics in XML exports
by Andreas Kiel 01 Aug '07

01 Aug '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Helena, I'm still at this point Thanks Andreas Andreas Kiel Spherico Nelkenstr. 25 D-76135 Karlsruhe Tel.: +49 (0)721 183 9753 eFax: +1 650 897 8094 eMail: kiel(a)spherico.com http://spherico.com/filmtools -- workflow tools for FCP _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… It isn't wasted time to respond, Andreas, but I certainly have to make that time. Thanks for that. I have removed the XML stuff to make the thread a bit clearer to understand. To be honest - even if I sound stupid or look like an idiot - I still got not an exact idea how to retrieve clip in/out with (variable) time remap. There isn't any documentation on how to handle this since as you noted in FCP there will be some variance in what that value is interpreted as. Unfortunately these values imply a kind of specificity which isn't there. Thanks I'm feeling better ;). This is okay for me and for most all of the others as it is clear now that here is some kind of variance - it's not perfect but anyone can life with that for a while. ( ;-) Again it would be nice with XML V4 to have an node which tells me how number formats are handled -- on my german system the 10840.7 would be 10840,7 which can cause some collisions when working international, especially if I want to go backwards (but I've to check that for more details)). While it is true that we haven't documented number formats, I believe what you're seeing there is a bug in FCP6. All versions of the xml exported will export whatever the system setting for displayed number formats. Here maybe my bad English appears to be an issue. I get XMLs from anywhere, have to do something with them and sent it back to the customer. Using FCS2 I've to take care of the number formating as my customer might be in the US and/or on earlier system. This is not a big issue as I learned it now. Another example from Australia (same FCP setup as above - as stated by the user). Here the editor decided to remap and then to reset the things -- an entry still exists in the XML without <when> - I can still look at <speed> = 100 and forget, but hmmmm :). Also the entry <parameter><parameterid>mappedduration</ parameterid><name>mappedduration</name><value><timecode> … looks more "rich" as in the previous example and looks some kind of senseless to me as the time base is 0 - I can't find any docs about that to handle. If you have steps on how to create this situation, I'd love to get a bug on this. It is not clear to me what it takes to get to here, but I think we'd throw this mapped duration away because of invalid parameters. I tried to reproduce this with the chief editor but we weren't able to get it. The only thing I can do is sent you the complete XML. In FCP the source in is shown as "3197" and out as "3172". Sorry - where are these numbers in FCP? are these keyframe values? In? Out? Duration? The numbers had been source in and source out. But as said I'm totally unsure how to retrieve source frames/tc from variable time remapped clips. Maybe I'm doing everything wrong. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: time & timecode semantics in XML exports
by Helena Ju 01 Aug '07

01 Aug '07

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jul 25, 2007, at 2:26 AM, Andreas Kiel wrote: Hi all, <effect> <name>Time Remap</name> <effectid>timeremap</effectid> <effectcategory>motion</effectcategory> <effecttype>motion</effecttype> <mediatype>video</mediatype> <parameter> <parameterid>variablespeed</parameterid> <name>variablespeed</name> <valuemin>0</valuemin> <valuemax>1</valuemax> <value>1</value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>mappedduration</parameterid> <name>mappedduration</name> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>speed</parameterid> <name>speed</name> <valuemin>-100000</valuemin> <valuemax>100000</valuemax> <value>100</value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>reverse</parameterid> <name>reverse</name> <value>FALSE</value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>frameblending</parameterid> <name>frameblending</name> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>graphdict</parameterid> <name>graphdict</name> <valuemin>0</valuemin> <valuemax>29494</valuemax> <keyframe> <when>0</when> <value>0</value> <speedkfstart>TRUE</speedkfstart> <speedvirtualkf>TRUE</speedvirtualkf> <origvalue>0</origvalue> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>8916</when> <value>8916</value> <speedkfin>TRUE</speedkfin> <speedvirtualkf>TRUE</speedvirtualkf> <origvalue>8916</origvalue> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>8988</when> <value>8988</value> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>9000</when> <value>10681</value> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>9159</when> <value>10840.7</value> <speedkfout>TRUE</speedkfout> <speedvirtualkf>TRUE</speedvirtualkf> <origvalue>10840.7</origvalue> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>9943</when> <value>11628</value> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>29494</when> <value>29494</value> <speedkfend>TRUE</speedkfend> <speedvirtualkf>TRUE</speedvirtualkf> <origvalue>29494</origvalue> </keyframe> <interpolation> <name>FCPCurve</name> </interpolation> <value>1302</value> </parameter> </effect> "<clipitem id=\"BJ001dv2\"> <name>BJ001dv</name> <duration>56094</duration> <rate> <ntsc>FALSE</ntsc> <timebase>25</timebase> </rate> <in>2630</in> <out>2758</out> <start>729</start> <end>857</end> <filter> <effect> <name>Time Remap</name> <effectid>timeremap</effectid> <effectcategory>motion</effectcategory> <effecttype>motion</effecttype> <mediatype>video</mediatype> <parameter> <parameterid>variablespeed</parameterid> <name>variablespeed</name> <valuemin>0</valuemin> <valuemax>1</valuemax> <value>1</value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>mappedduration</parameterid> <name>mappedduration</name> <value> <timecode> <rate> <timebase>0</timebase> </rate> <string>0</string> <frame>0</frame> <displayformat>NDF</displayformat> </timecode> </value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>speed</parameterid> <name>speed</name> <valuemin>-100000</valuemin> <valuemax>100000</valuemax> <value>212.023</value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>reverse</parameterid> <name>reverse</name> <value>FALSE</value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>frameblending</parameterid> <name>frameblending</name> <value>TRUE</value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>graphdict</parameterid> <name>graphdict</name> <valuemin>0</valuemin> <valuemax>61658</valuemax> <keyframe> <when>0</when> <value>0</value> <speedkfstart>TRUE</speedkfstart> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>2607</when> <value>2866</value> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>2630</when> <value>2901.11</value> <speedkfin>TRUE</speedkfin> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>2683</when> <value>2983</value> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>2703</when> <value>3028</value> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>2743</when> <value>3144</value> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>2758</when> <value>3172.5</value> <speedkfout>TRUE</speedkfout> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>2783</when> <value>3220</value> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>3149</when> <value>3149</value> </keyframe> <keyframe> <when>56094</when> <value>61658</value> <speedkfend>TRUE</speedkfend> </keyframe> <interpolation> <name>FCPCurve</name> </interpolation> <value>2887.62</value> </parameter> </effect> </filter> <sourcetrack> <mediatype>video</mediatype> </sourcetrack> Cheers, Helena Any help would be really appreciated. Regards Andreas _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… (Helena - You still have some time to waste?) It isn't wasted time to respond, Andreas, but I certainly have to make that time. To be honest - even if I sound stupid or look like an idiot - I still got not an exact idea how to retrieve clip in/out with (variable) time remap. Below an example from a BBC production. This example uses a variable speed exported as XML V2 (from 5.1.4 as stated by the people from BBC who created it) … <in>8916</in> <out>9159</out> … It seems to be pretty simple here since I can search for <when> == 8916 and <when> == 9159 or the <speedkfin> and <speedkfout> and get the value from there. Unfortunately there is no suggestion in the docs how to handle the 10840.7 -- going back to FCP it could be 10839 or 10840 or 10841. Same even with an integer as an out frame let's say 10840 - back to FCP it can be 10840 or 10839. Is there some documentation about the scheme (how to handle) available? There isn't any documentation on how to handle this since as you noted in FCP there will be some variance in what that value is interpreted as. Unfortunately these values imply a kind of specificity which isn't there. ( ;-) Again it would be nice with XML V4 to have an node which tells me how number formats are handled -- on my german system the 10840.7 would be 10840,7 which can cause some collisions when working international, especially if I want to go backwards (but I've to check that for more details)). While it is true that we haven't documented number formats, I believe what you're seeing there is a bug in FCP6. All versions of the xml exported will export whatever the system setting for displayed number formats. Another example from Australia (same FCP setup as above - as stated by the user). Here the editor decided to remap and then to reset the things -- an entry still exists in the XML without <when> - I can still look at <speed> = 100 and forget, but hmmmm :). Also the entry <parameter><parameterid>mappedduration</ parameterid><name>mappedduration</name><value><timecode> … looks more "rich" as in the previous example and looks some kind of senseless to me as the time base is 0 - I can't find any docs about that to handle. … <in>4108</in> <out>4128</out> … <effect> <name>Time Remap</name> <effectid>timeremap</effectid> <effectcategory>motion</effectcategory> <effecttype>motion</effecttype> <mediatype>video</mediatype> <parameter> <parameterid>variablespeed</parameterid> <name>variablespeed</name> <valuemin>0</valuemin> <valuemax>1</valuemax> <value>0</value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>mappedduration</parameterid> <name>mappedduration</name> <value> <timecode> <rate> <timebase>0</timebase> </rate> <string>0</string> <frame>0</frame> <displayformat>NDF</displayformat> </timecode> </value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>speed</parameterid> <name>speed</name> <valuemin>-100000</valuemin> <valuemax>100000</valuemax> <value>100</value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>reverse</parameterid> <name>reverse</name> <value>FALSE</value> </parameter> <parameter> <parameterid>frameblending</parameterid> <name>frameblending</name> <value>TRUE</value> </parameter> </effect> If you have steps on how to create this situation, I'd love to get a bug on this. It is not clear to me what it takes to get to here, but I think we'd throw this mapped duration away because of invalid parameters. Here an example for variable speed from the same sequence from Australia: In FCP the source in is shown as "3197" and out as "3172". Sorry - where are these numbers in FCP? are these keyframe values? In? Out? Duration? With that clip above I currently have no idea how extract these values from the above data. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Invalid XML?
by Helena Ju 01 Aug '07

01 Aug '07

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