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Re: FxGenerator duration
by Peter Litwinowicz 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

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Re: FxGenerator duration
by Andrew Mees 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

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Re: FxGenerator duration
by Darrin Cardani 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

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Re: FxGenerator duration
by Darrin Cardani 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Thanks, Darrin On Mar 26, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Andrew Mees wrote: Paul In case it helps, the user can make filters shorter than the clips they are applied to in Final Cut, as well (but not longer). Almost nobody knows this is possible, but you can do it by dragging in the time bar in the Filters tab. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/dcardani%40apple.com -- Darrin Cardani dcardani(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… You can, but I'd like to see a compelling case as to why. I can understand retiming filters needing this capability because the explicit purpose of the filter is to change the length of the clip. Why is it so important in a generator, though? And more importantly, why is it more important than the user's need to control their media? You'd be surprised how many people know about this ( and use it on a daily basis ). Most commonly though, the function is used when applying filters to range selections, rather than trimming the length in the time bar. On topic, could I add my vote for an ability to set a generator's duration automagically from within the generator code. That would be extremely useful. Cheers Andy On Mar26 , 2009, at 3:06 AM, pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: - Paul This email sent to dcardani(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Deduced attributes of items
by Martin Baker 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

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Re: FxGenerator duration
by Brian Gardner 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

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Re: FxGenerator duration
by Pierre Jasmin 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Organization: RE:Vision Effects User-agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) Paul yup++ Cheers Andy On Mar26 , 2009, at 3:06 AM, pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: In case it helps, the user can make filters shorter than the clips they are applied to in Final Cut, as well (but not longer). Almost nobody knows this is possible, but you can do it by dragging in the time bar in the Filters tab. This email sent to jasmin(a)revisionfx.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Andrew Mees wrote: You'd be surprised how many people know about this ( and use it on a daily basis ). Most commonly though, the function is used when applying filters to range selections, rather than trimming the length in the time bar. On topic, could I add my vote for an ability to set a generator's duration automagically from within the generator code. That would be extremely useful. - Paul _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/jasmin%40revisionfx.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FxGenerator duration
by Andrew Mees 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Paul On Mar26 , 2009, at 3:06 AM, pro-apps-dev-request(a)lists.apple.com wrote: In case it helps, the user can make filters shorter than the clips they are applied to in Final Cut, as well (but not longer). Almost nobody knows this is possible, but you can do it by dragging in the time bar in the Filters tab. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… You'd be surprised how many people know about this ( and use it on a daily basis ). Most commonly though, the function is used when applying filters to range selections, rather than trimming the length in the time bar. On topic, could I add my vote for an ability to set a generator's duration automagically from within the generator code. That would be extremely useful. Cheers Andy - Paul This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FxGenerator duration
by Darrin Cardani 26 Mar '09

26 Mar '09

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Re: FxGenerator duration
by Steve Christensen 26 Mar '09

26 Mar '09

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Brian Gardner wrote: Thanks, Paul. So, that's good. I can calculate how many frames the duration needs to be altered by. What's the most user-friendly or appropriate way to present that to the user? Can I create a read-only parameter/label "Recommended Duration" and display it? Or set timeline Markers? Is there any way the user can snap the duration to the plugin's recommendation? On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Paul Schneider wrote: _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… You can certainly add a custom text parameter that displays the suggested clip duration based on your calculations, but you shouldn't assume that the user will actually change the clip duration so you have to handle that situation gracefully. The best way to view the plugin is as an unquestioning servant of Final Cut and/or the user. They ask the plugin to do something and it does it. The plugin really has no say in the matter other than determining if it should load and then by advertising its capabilities (-variesOverTime, -properties). Darrin is correct. The FxTimingAPI allows to to query the duration of your item in the timeline, but we don't currently provide a way for you to change the duration. In case it helps, the user can make filters shorter than the clips they are applied to in Final Cut, as well (but not longer). Almost nobody knows this is possible, but you can do it by dragging in the time bar in the Filters tab. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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