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Re: getting a CPU FxPlug to down-rez in FCP?
by Paul Schneider 23 May '11

23 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Paul, Dynamic down-ressing is a feature of FCP's RT engine. There are certain features that aren't available in the RT engine, and if your plugin uses one of those features, we'll run it in another, "non-RT" codepath that doesn't do dynamic quality adjustment. If you use the FxTemporalAPI (and set the mayRemapTime flag in your poperties dict), you'll find yourself in this state. You'll also find yourself here if you have any non-empty image well parameters. - Paul On May 23, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Paul Miller wrote: > I have a CPU-based FxPlug that a customer tells me is dot down-rezzing in dynamic mode. He says his other effects are doing it when he scrubs. Unfortunately I only have a recent MacBookPro and I can't get ANY effect to down-rez, even HD clips with multiple stacked effects. This is making this quite difficult to track down. > > First, is there a trick to getting a MBP machine to go into full dynamic mode when scrubbing? I've turned on all the dynamic options I can find, but it's always previewing at full size. > > Second, is there a trick I need to make in the code to get it to downsample? I'm already periodically calling FxProgress userCancelled, but not very often - a couple of times during each frame's render. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider%40apple.com > > This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: getting a CPU FxPlug to down-rez in FCP?
by Paul Miller 23 May '11

23 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 Could your customer be seeing a mismatch between the Field Dominance of their clip and of their timeline. On 5/23/2011 9:19 AM, Patrick Sheffield wrote: If these do not match, FCP will line double the clip. You won't see this in the viewer or in the canvas as those generally only show one set of fields. I was wondering if this was something that was just happening on an external monitor (which I do not have). But why would it do that for other effects, but not mine? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: getting a CPU FxPlug to down-rez in FCP?
by Patrick Sheffield 23 May '11

23 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nkDmCVLGlnBXavCPXc9LTYLqZT1B5+mI7da18ccd4ziVcKcv4aYjwUxttC9fSW1C; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Could your customer be seeing a mismatch between the Field Dominance of their clip and of their timeline. If these do not match, FCP will line double the clip. You won't see this in the viewer or in the canvas as those generally only show one set of fields. Patrick Sheffield Sheffield Softworks On May 23, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Paul Miller wrote: > I have a CPU-based FxPlug that a customer tells me is dot down-rezzing in dynamic mode. He says his other effects are doing it when he scrubs. Unfortunately I only have a recent MacBookPro and I can't get ANY effect to down-rez, even HD clips with multiple stacked effects. This is making this quite difficult to track down. > > First, is there a trick to getting a MBP machine to go into full dynamic mode when scrubbing? I've turned on all the dynamic options I can find, but it's always previewing at full size. > > Second, is there a trick I need to make in the code to get it to downsample? I'm already periodically calling FxProgress userCancelled, but not very often - a couple of times during each frame's render. > > Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/psheffield%40earthlink.… > > This email sent to psheffield(a)earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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getting a CPU FxPlug to down-rez in FCP?
by Paul Miller 23 May '11

23 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 Thanks! _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I have a CPU-based FxPlug that a customer tells me is dot down-rezzing in dynamic mode. He says his other effects are doing it when he scrubs. Unfortunately I only have a recent MacBookPro and I can't get ANY effect to down-rez, even HD clips with multiple stacked effects. This is making this quite difficult to track down. First, is there a trick to getting a MBP machine to go into full dynamic mode when scrubbing? I've turned on all the dynamic options I can find, but it's always previewing at full size. Second, is there a trick I need to make in the code to get it to downsample? I'm already periodically calling FxProgress userCancelled, but not very often - a couple of times during each frame's render. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Final Pro X and Fx-Script?
by Pierre Jasmin 11 May '11

11 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Organization: RE:Vision Effects User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 Personally, I am hoping for FxPlug support and an FxScript to FxPlug compiler. Or an FxPlug that interprets FxScript. The UI in Motion is fine for most of my uses - although I do wish the HUD would respect the disclosure triangles available in the UI... Patrick Sheffield Sheffield Softworks On May 6, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Pierre Jasmin wrote: More thoughts on this: I could not see in the marketing demo at NAB many details that matter to me (and our users) and two days ago seeing Phil Hoggets presentation about FCP X (fantasy presentation about what would be in such product) I was reminded of some questions I have... So, although it's cool if FCP could perform better with camera native (long GOP) media and help with the problem of not leaving frame gaps or forgetting a track (which is easy to do on deep timeline). Because I know that if a feature is not in the host to start with, it's harder when you eventually support plugins and the host already does not think like that: So worth to say loud : All these 10 000 X more important then being able to be in some Apple store... if you have questions about how to spend your ressources :) * Do check box and menus animate in FCP X? It's really clumsy to try to animate switching using a secondary slider. * Is it easy to cut and paste animated parameters? (did you do some useful large size graph animation, it makes me crazy in app that support animation curve shaping on the track itself, I grab it by accident all the time in case you think it's a good idea) * I think I see you did some modification to the way you time stretch the clip, hard to say exactly why - could you have a mode that just pad with black rather then time stretched? * And hope you will add some sort of Interpret Footage (i.e. Cinema tools conform right in FCP). Right now if you are not aware by trying to make it easy for users, FCP actually often makes so hard with projects that need to handle multiple formats because that process is disconnected. (That was finally added in Premiere CS5 as well as make a sequence from clip settings). * Have you considered improving the workflow for the the clipwell settings... for users (access of other clips) * I am also curious after your demo if I will be able to overload the background stabilization for a better or faster one... (or use it from a plugin how is the data stored...), the background color match (how is the data stored in the database - can I query it), or simply add my own background processes and later collect that from FCP X database like in your demo. * Will there be a scripting engine to generate FCP X projects (without FCP X) and will it support adding effects with settings? * Will there be distributed renders options (as in execute scripted FCP X project without opening FCP X UI) and a way to edit remote (server being where the media is located) and if via a proxy codec?, if so will that be told to the effect plugin (e.g. draft mode etc). Pierre As long as FxPlug is supported in FCPX (no reason it shouldn't be), someone would be able to make an FxScript interpreter pretty easily. In fact, they could probably make it a lot better than FCP's implementation by enabling encryption. FxScripts are stored in plain text in FCP project files, and thus impossible to protect. One suggestion for FCP based on experience and the fact that we don't have a beta at this stage to play with and as you know product packaging (website editing, installers, documentation, testing, video tutorials that might need to be redone because the UI all changed,...) is quite intensive. And of course it's hard to imagine that a new rewriten software will have no bugs and our stuff will just recompile and work right away... so I am thinking it would be a good thing for Apple to officially announce an official third party support dot release period for that purpose. For example that that there will be in something like within IBC timeframe a dot release to essentially synch-in third parties. This as well would create a second wave of marketing for Apple when everyone announces support for FCP and make the community happy (and Apple look good). Pierre Ben Syverson _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/jasmin%40revisionfx.com This email sent to jasmin(a)revisionfx.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/jasmin%40revisionfx.com This email sent to jasmin(a)revisionfx.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/psheffield%40earthlink.… _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… On 5/6/2011 7:25 PM, Patrick Sheffield wrote: I make extensive use of FCP's favorites mechanism for presets to some of my plugins. With FCPX leaving behind EDLs/Tape support/Assignable Tracks/and many other Pro Features, I wonder if there has been any thought toward presets/favorites... Good point. As part of presets, it would be nice if there was a simple way to globally change a value in all instances of a same plugin applied multiple times. Just done here with a support issue where someone had our plugin applied 300 times (once on each of 300 clips). On 4/15/2011 8:59 PM, Pierre Jasmin wrote: On 4/14/2011 4:03 PM, Ben Syverson wrote: This email sent to psheffield(a)earthlink.net This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FCP XML Import translation document
by Andreas Kiel 11 May '11

11 May '11

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Re: FCP XML Import translation document
by Jon Chappell 11 May '11

11 May '11

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FCP XML Import translation document
by Pierson Jim 11 May '11

11 May '11

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Re: Final Pro X and Fx-Script?
by Patrick Sheffield 07 May '11

07 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ux0MlthQpP2RBc+nxIg7HBmYgVA8ZP+Ey3x0OZ/meBEzprjHpQkLQ2TEAqkQmv0u; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Personally, I am hoping for FxPlug support and an FxScript to FxPlug compiler. Or an FxPlug that interprets FxScript. The UI in Motion is fine for most of my uses - although I do wish the HUD would respect the disclosure triangles available in the UI... I make extensive use of FCP's favorites mechanism for presets to some of my plugins. With FCPX leaving behind EDLs/Tape support/Assignable Tracks/and many other Pro Features, I wonder if there has been any thought toward presets/favorites... Patrick Sheffield Sheffield Softworks On May 6, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Pierre Jasmin wrote: > More thoughts on this: > > I could not see in the marketing demo at NAB many details that matter to me (and our users) and two days ago seeing Phil Hoggets presentation about FCP X (fantasy presentation about what would be in such product) I was reminded of some questions I have... > > So, although it's cool if FCP could perform better with camera native (long GOP) media and help with the problem of not leaving frame gaps or forgetting a track (which is easy to do on deep timeline). > Because I know that if a feature is not in the host to start with, it's harder when you eventually support plugins and the host already does not think like that: > > So worth to say loud : All these 10 000 X more important then being able to be in some Apple store... if you have questions about how to spend your ressources :) > > * Do check box and menus animate in FCP X? It's really clumsy to try to animate switching using a secondary slider. > * Is it easy to cut and paste animated parameters? (did you do some useful large size graph animation, it makes me crazy in app that support animation curve shaping on the track itself, I grab it by accident all the time in case you think it's a good idea) > * I think I see you did some modification to the way you time stretch the clip, hard to say exactly why - could you have a mode that just pad with black rather then time stretched? > * And hope you will add some sort of Interpret Footage (i.e. Cinema tools conform right in FCP). Right now if you are not aware by trying to make it easy for users, FCP actually often makes so hard with projects that need to handle multiple formats because that process is disconnected. (That was finally added in Premiere CS5 as well as make a sequence from clip settings). > * Have you considered improving the workflow for the the clipwell settings... for users (access of other clips) > * I am also curious after your demo if I will be able to overload the background stabilization for a better or faster one... (or use it from a plugin how is the data stored...), the background color match (how is the data stored in the database - can I query it), or simply add my own background processes and later collect that from FCP X database like in your demo. > * Will there be a scripting engine to generate FCP X projects (without FCP X) and will it support adding effects with settings? > * Will there be distributed renders options (as in execute scripted FCP X project without opening FCP X UI) and a way to edit remote (server being where the media is located) and if via a proxy codec?, if so will that be told to the effect plugin (e.g. draft mode etc). > > Pierre > > On 4/15/2011 8:59 PM, Pierre Jasmin wrote: >> On 4/14/2011 4:03 PM, Ben Syverson wrote: >>> As long as FxPlug is supported in FCPX (no reason it shouldn't be), someone would be able to make an FxScript interpreter pretty easily. In fact, they could probably make it a lot better than FCP's implementation by enabling encryption. FxScripts are stored in plain text in FCP project files, and thus impossible to protect. >>> >> >> One suggestion for FCP based on experience and the fact that we don't have a beta at this stage to play with and as you know product packaging (website editing, installers, documentation, testing, video tutorials that might need to be redone because the UI all changed,...) is quite intensive. And of course it's hard to imagine that a new rewriten software will have no bugs and our stuff will just recompile and work right away... so I am thinking it would be a good thing for Apple to officially announce an official third party support dot release period for that purpose. For example that that there will be in something like within IBC timeframe a dot release to essentially synch-in third parties. This as well would create a second wave of marketing for Apple when everyone announces support for FCP and make the community happy (and Apple look good). >> >> Pierre >> >> >> >> >>> Ben Syverson >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/jasmin%40revisionfx.com >>> >>> This email sent to jasmin(a)revisionfx.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/jasmin%40revisionfx.com >> >> This email sent to jasmin(a)revisionfx.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/psheffield%40earthlink.… > > This email sent to psheffield(a)earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Final Pro X and Fx-Script?
by Pierre Jasmin 07 May '11

07 May '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Organization: RE:Vision Effects User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 More thoughts on this: Pierre Pierre Ben Syverson _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/jasmin%40revisionfx.com This email sent to jasmin(a)revisionfx.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/jasmin%40revisionfx.com This email sent to jasmin(a)revisionfx.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I could not see in the marketing demo at NAB many details that matter to me (and our users) and two days ago seeing Phil Hoggets presentation about FCP X (fantasy presentation about what would be in such product) I was reminded of some questions I have... So, although it's cool if FCP could perform better with camera native (long GOP) media and help with the problem of not leaving frame gaps or forgetting a track (which is easy to do on deep timeline). Because I know that if a feature is not in the host to start with, it's harder when you eventually support plugins and the host already does not think like that: So worth to say loud : All these 10 000 X more important then being able to be in some Apple store... if you have questions about how to spend your ressources :) * Do check box and menus animate in FCP X? It's really clumsy to try to animate switching using a secondary slider. * Is it easy to cut and paste animated parameters? (did you do some useful large size graph animation, it makes me crazy in app that support animation curve shaping on the track itself, I grab it by accident all the time in case you think it's a good idea) * I think I see you did some modification to the way you time stretch the clip, hard to say exactly why - could you have a mode that just pad with black rather then time stretched? * And hope you will add some sort of Interpret Footage (i.e. Cinema tools conform right in FCP). Right now if you are not aware by trying to make it easy for users, FCP actually often makes so hard with projects that need to handle multiple formats because that process is disconnected. (That was finally added in Premiere CS5 as well as make a sequence from clip settings). * Have you considered improving the workflow for the the clipwell settings... for users (access of other clips) * I am also curious after your demo if I will be able to overload the background stabilization for a better or faster one... (or use it from a plugin how is the data stored...), the background color match (how is the data stored in the database - can I query it), or simply add my own background processes and later collect that from FCP X database like in your demo. * Will there be a scripting engine to generate FCP X projects (without FCP X) and will it support adding effects with settings? * Will there be distributed renders options (as in execute scripted FCP X project without opening FCP X UI) and a way to edit remote (server being where the media is located) and if via a proxy codec?, if so will that be told to the effect plugin (e.g. draft mode etc). On 4/15/2011 8:59 PM, Pierre Jasmin wrote: On 4/14/2011 4:03 PM, Ben Syverson wrote: As long as FxPlug is supported in FCPX (no reason it shouldn't be), someone would be able to make an FxScript interpreter pretty easily. In fact, they could probably make it a lot better than FCP's implementation by enabling encryption. FxScripts are stored in plain text in FCP project files, and thus impossible to protect. One suggestion for FCP based on experience and the fact that we don't have a beta at this stage to play with and as you know product packaging (website editing, installers, documentation, testing, video tutorials that might need to be redone because the UI all changed,...) is quite intensive. And of course it's hard to imagine that a new rewriten software will have no bugs and our stuff will just recompile and work right away... so I am thinking it would be a good thing for Apple to officially announce an official third party support dot release period for that purpose. For example that that there will be in something like within IBC timeframe a dot release to essentially synch-in third parties. This as well would create a second wave of marketing for Apple when everyone announces support for FCP and make the community happy (and Apple look good). This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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