December 2012 - Pro-apps-dev

Re: Backwards compatibility
by Darrin Cardani 04 Dec '12

04 Dec '12

Martin, In general when we rev the version number of the document, we have changed the file format. (Usually only slightly.) But that means that older versions of the app will not be able to understand the data in it properly. In this specific case, we did not change the file format in any way except for increasing the version number from 5.2 (I think?) to 5.5. The higher version number signals to FCPX to properly handle parameter supervision. In older versions of FCPX, parameter supervision in FxPlugs had some bugs, which meant you couldn't properly enable and disable or hide and show parameters on-the-fly. They would sometimes not update properly. We fixed this in 10.0.6, but several developers requested that we keep the old behavior for existing templates. We do that by checking the version number of the template. If it's < 5.5, we act in the old broken way. If it's >= 5.5, then we properly enable and disable parameters. So you can change the version number back to 5.2 (or whatever Alex mentioned in his email), and older versions of FCPX will be able to read it, but newer versions will continue to exhibit the bug with parameter supervision. If you keep it as 5.5, newer versions will work properly, but older versions won't be able to open the file. In all other cases, you should never change the version number of a template manually. Darrin On Dec 4, 2012, at 3:32 AM, Martin Baker <martin(a)digital-heaven.co.uk> wrote: > What's the deal with backwards compatibility with FxPlugs/Motion Templates and earlier FCPX releases? We have a generator product which has just started beta testing. The Motion template was created on Motion 5.0.5. > > All works fine on FCP 10.0.6 but one of the testers is on 10.0.5 and is reporting a red error screen when dragging the generator to the timeline, also no generator parameters are shown and "parsing error" is logged in Console. > > thanks > > Martin Baker > www.digital-heaven.co.uk > www.twitter.com/digitalheaven > www.videospaceonline.com > www.finalcutters.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > Digital Heaven Ltd is registered in England and Wales > Company registration number: 3628396 > Registered address: 55 Lynwood Drive, Worcester Park, Surrey KT4 7AE > VAT registration number: GB 736 0989 03 > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/dcardani%40apple.com > > This email sent to dcardani(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Backwards compatibility
by Andreas Kiel 04 Dec '12

04 Dec '12

That's true! -Andreas On Dec 4, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Martin Baker wrote: > You are a mine of useful information Alex! > > thanks > > Martin > www.digital-heaven.co.uk > www.twitter.com/digitalheaven > www.videospaceonline.com > www.finalcutters.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > Digital Heaven Ltd is registered in England and Wales > Company registration number: 3628396 > Registered address: 55 Lynwood Drive, Worcester Park, Surrey KT4 7AE > VAT registration number: GB 736 0989 03 > > On 4 Dec 2012, at 12:30, Alex Gollner wrote: > >> On 04/12/2012 12:14 pm, there was a message to me that included: >> >>>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >>>>> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >>>>> <ozml version="5.5"> >>>>> >>>>> <displayversion>5.0.5</displayversion> >>>> >>>> ...it starts with >>>> >>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >>>> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >>>> <ozml version="5.2"> >>>> >>>> <displayversion>5.0.4</displayversion> >>> >>> I've done similar things to Motion projects for my own use, but am a little >>> bit nervous doing it in a shipping product, but I guess if it's just >>> metadata... >>> >>> So an ozml version of 5.2 will get me back to FCP 10.0.5 or will it work >>> earlier? >> >> The OZML goes back further than 10.0.5, but the version number included >> might preclude earlier versions of Motion (as standalone app or withing FCP) >> opening the template. >> >> To be compatible with Final Cut Pro 10.0.4 >> >> <ozml version="5.2"> >> >> <displayversion>5.0.3</displayversion> >> >> >> To be compatible with Final Cut Pro 10.0.3 >> >> <ozml version="5.2"> >> >> <displayversion>5.0.2</displayversion> >> >> >> To be compatible with Final Cut Pro 10.0.2 (!) >> <ozml version="5.0"> >> >> ...no <displayversion> >> >> >> >> In practice, if Apple could give the proportion of people who've updated to >> each version of Final Cut Pro, that would be very useful! >> >> >> >> Alex >> >> .......................................................................... >> >> Film Editor, Zone 2-North West, London >> >> @alex4d . alex4d.wordpress.com . alex4d.com . +44 775 367 7918 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/martin%40digital-heave… >> >> This email sent to martin(a)digital-heaven.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/kiel%40spherico.com > > This email sent to kiel(a)spherico.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Backwards compatibility
by Martin Baker 04 Dec '12

04 Dec '12

You are a mine of useful information Alex! thanks Martin www.digital-heaven.co.uk www.twitter.com/digitalheaven www.videospaceonline.com www.finalcutters.com ------------------------------------------------------ Digital Heaven Ltd is registered in England and Wales Company registration number: 3628396 Registered address: 55 Lynwood Drive, Worcester Park, Surrey KT4 7AE VAT registration number: GB 736 0989 03 On 4 Dec 2012, at 12:30, Alex Gollner wrote: > On 04/12/2012 12:14 pm, there was a message to me that included: > >>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >>>> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >>>> <ozml version="5.5"> >>>> >>>> <displayversion>5.0.5</displayversion> >>> >>> ...it starts with >>> >>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >>> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >>> <ozml version="5.2"> >>> >>> <displayversion>5.0.4</displayversion> >> >> I've done similar things to Motion projects for my own use, but am a little >> bit nervous doing it in a shipping product, but I guess if it's just >> metadata... >> >> So an ozml version of 5.2 will get me back to FCP 10.0.5 or will it work >> earlier? > > The OZML goes back further than 10.0.5, but the version number included > might preclude earlier versions of Motion (as standalone app or withing FCP) > opening the template. > > To be compatible with Final Cut Pro 10.0.4 > > <ozml version="5.2"> > > <displayversion>5.0.3</displayversion> > > > To be compatible with Final Cut Pro 10.0.3 > > <ozml version="5.2"> > > <displayversion>5.0.2</displayversion> > > > To be compatible with Final Cut Pro 10.0.2 (!) > <ozml version="5.0"> > > ...no <displayversion> > > > > In practice, if Apple could give the proportion of people who've updated to > each version of Final Cut Pro, that would be very useful! > > > > Alex > > .......................................................................... > > Film Editor, Zone 2-North West, London > > @alex4d . alex4d.wordpress.com . alex4d.com . +44 775 367 7918 > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/martin%40digital-heave… > > This email sent to martin(a)digital-heaven.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Backwards compatibility
by Andreas Kiel 04 Dec '12

04 Dec '12

To be honest I haven't tried that. It was just with a template I updated to publish one more parameter and where some users complained complained that is not working anymore. As the original had been 5.2 I just gave it a try and it worked - maybe just fortune.. On Dec 4, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Martin Baker wrote: > Ah it's just like the days of hacking encoded FxScripts with a hex editor so they'd work in previous versions! > > I've done similar things to Motion projects for my own use, but am a little bit nervous doing it in a shipping product, but I guess if it's just metadata... > > So an ozml version of 5.2 will get me back to FCP 10.0.5 or will it work earlier? > > Martin > www.digital-heaven.co.uk > www.twitter.com/digitalheaven > www.videospaceonline.com > www.finalcutters.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > Digital Heaven Ltd is registered in England and Wales > Company registration number: 3628396 > Registered address: 55 Lynwood Drive, Worcester Park, Surrey KT4 7AE > VAT registration number: GB 736 0989 03 > > On 4 Dec 2012, at 12:06, Andreas Kiel wrote: > >> I had the same issue and tried the method Alex recommend which fixed it in my case. >> >> -Andreas >> >> On Dec 4, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Alex Gollner wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Martin, >>> >>> Final Cut Pro 10.0.5 has much of Motion 5.0.4 inside to 'play back' Motion >>> templates. That means 5.0.5 templates won't be recognised in FCP 10.0.5. >>> >>> However, you might try editing the Motion XML file so instead of starting >>> with >>> >>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >>>> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >>>> <ozml version="5.5"> >>>> >>>> <displayversion>5.0.5</displayversion> >>> >>> ...it starts with >>> >>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >>> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >>> <ozml version="5.2"> >>> >>> <displayversion>5.0.4</displayversion> >>> >>> >>> This has worked for some of my templates. >>> >>> >>> >>> Alex Gollner >>> >>> .......................................................................... >>> >>> Film Editor, Zone 2-North West, London >>> >>> @alex4d . alex4d.wordpress.com . alex4d.com . +44 775 367 7918 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/kiel%40spherico.com >>> >>> This email sent to kiel(a)spherico.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/martin%40digital-heave… >> >> This email sent to martin(a)digital-heaven.co.uk > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Backwards compatibility
by Alex Gollner 04 Dec '12

04 Dec '12

On 04/12/2012 12:14 pm, there was a message to me that included: >>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >>> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >>> <ozml version="5.5"> >>> >>> <displayversion>5.0.5</displayversion> >> >> ...it starts with >> >> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >> <ozml version="5.2"> >> >> <displayversion>5.0.4</displayversion> > > I've done similar things to Motion projects for my own use, but am a little > bit nervous doing it in a shipping product, but I guess if it's just > metadata... > > So an ozml version of 5.2 will get me back to FCP 10.0.5 or will it work > earlier? The OZML goes back further than 10.0.5, but the version number included might preclude earlier versions of Motion (as standalone app or withing FCP) opening the template. To be compatible with Final Cut Pro 10.0.4 <ozml version="5.2"> <displayversion>5.0.3</displayversion> To be compatible with Final Cut Pro 10.0.3 <ozml version="5.2"> <displayversion>5.0.2</displayversion> To be compatible with Final Cut Pro 10.0.2 (!) <ozml version="5.0"> ...no <displayversion> In practice, if Apple could give the proportion of people who've updated to each version of Final Cut Pro, that would be very useful! Alex .......................................................................... Film Editor, Zone 2-North West, London @alex4d . alex4d.wordpress.com . alex4d.com . +44 775 367 7918 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Backwards compatibility
by Martin Baker 04 Dec '12

04 Dec '12

Ah it's just like the days of hacking encoded FxScripts with a hex editor so they'd work in previous versions! I've done similar things to Motion projects for my own use, but am a little bit nervous doing it in a shipping product, but I guess if it's just metadata... So an ozml version of 5.2 will get me back to FCP 10.0.5 or will it work earlier? Martin www.digital-heaven.co.uk www.twitter.com/digitalheaven www.videospaceonline.com www.finalcutters.com ------------------------------------------------------ Digital Heaven Ltd is registered in England and Wales Company registration number: 3628396 Registered address: 55 Lynwood Drive, Worcester Park, Surrey KT4 7AE VAT registration number: GB 736 0989 03 On 4 Dec 2012, at 12:06, Andreas Kiel wrote: > I had the same issue and tried the method Alex recommend which fixed it in my case. > > -Andreas > > On Dec 4, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Alex Gollner wrote: > >> >> >> Martin, >> >> Final Cut Pro 10.0.5 has much of Motion 5.0.4 inside to 'play back' Motion >> templates. That means 5.0.5 templates won't be recognised in FCP 10.0.5. >> >> However, you might try editing the Motion XML file so instead of starting >> with >> >>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >>> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >>> <ozml version="5.5"> >>> >>> <displayversion>5.0.5</displayversion> >> >> ...it starts with >> >> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >> <ozml version="5.2"> >> >> <displayversion>5.0.4</displayversion> >> >> >> This has worked for some of my templates. >> >> >> >> Alex Gollner >> >> .......................................................................... >> >> Film Editor, Zone 2-North West, London >> >> @alex4d . alex4d.wordpress.com . alex4d.com . +44 775 367 7918 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/kiel%40spherico.com >> >> This email sent to kiel(a)spherico.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/martin%40digital-heave… > > This email sent to martin(a)digital-heaven.co.uk _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Backwards compatibility
by Andreas Kiel 04 Dec '12

04 Dec '12

I had the same issue and tried the method Alex recommend which fixed it in my case. -Andreas On Dec 4, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Alex Gollner wrote: > > > Martin, > > Final Cut Pro 10.0.5 has much of Motion 5.0.4 inside to 'play back' Motion > templates. That means 5.0.5 templates won't be recognised in FCP 10.0.5. > > However, you might try editing the Motion XML file so instead of starting > with > >> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> >> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> >> <ozml version="5.5"> >> >> <displayversion>5.0.5</displayversion> > > ...it starts with > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> > <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> > <ozml version="5.2"> > > <displayversion>5.0.4</displayversion> > > > This has worked for some of my templates. > > > > Alex Gollner > > .......................................................................... > > Film Editor, Zone 2-North West, London > > @alex4d . alex4d.wordpress.com . alex4d.com . +44 775 367 7918 > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/kiel%40spherico.com > > This email sent to kiel(a)spherico.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Backwards compatibility
by Alex Gollner 04 Dec '12

04 Dec '12

Martin, Final Cut Pro 10.0.5 has much of Motion 5.0.4 inside to 'play back' Motion templates. That means 5.0.5 templates won't be recognised in FCP 10.0.5. However, you might try editing the Motion XML file so instead of starting with > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> > <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> > <ozml version="5.5"> > > <displayversion>5.0.5</displayversion> ...it starts with <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE ozxmlscene> <ozml version="5.2"> <displayversion>5.0.4</displayversion> This has worked for some of my templates. Alex Gollner .......................................................................... Film Editor, Zone 2-North West, London @alex4d . alex4d.wordpress.com . alex4d.com . +44 775 367 7918 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Backwards compatibility
by Martin Baker 04 Dec '12

04 Dec '12

What's the deal with backwards compatibility with FxPlugs/Motion Templates and earlier FCPX releases? We have a generator product which has just started beta testing. The Motion template was created on Motion 5.0.5. All works fine on FCP 10.0.6 but one of the testers is on 10.0.5 and is reporting a red error screen when dragging the generator to the timeline, also no generator parameters are shown and "parsing error" is logged in Console. thanks Martin Baker www.digital-heaven.co.uk www.twitter.com/digitalheaven www.videospaceonline.com www.finalcutters.com ------------------------------------------------------ Digital Heaven Ltd is registered in England and Wales Company registration number: 3628396 Registered address: 55 Lynwood Drive, Worcester Park, Surrey KT4 7AE VAT registration number: GB 736 0989 03 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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