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Re: 4K templates
by Darrin Cardani 12 May '14

12 May '14

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Re: 4K templates
by Martin Baker 12 May '14

12 May '14

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RE: 4K templates
by Jim Tierney 12 May '14

12 May '14

They'll work, but if you're in a 4K project, there's a checkbox called '4K Content Only'. If that property isn't set correctly in your template, your effect won't be listed if the user turns the checkbox on (even if your effect works fine with 4K). It's cosmetic, but confusing to users, IMO. See this: http://support.apple.com/kb/PH16062 Cheers, Jim --------------- Jim Tierney President Digital Anarchy -----Original Message----- From: pro-apps-dev-bounces+jim=digitalanarchy.com(a)lists.apple.com [mailto:pro-apps-dev-bounces+jim=digitalanarchy.com@lists.apple.com] On Behalf Of Paul Miller Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 11:01 AM To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Subject: Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20 On 5/12/2014 11:52 AM, Garrick Meeker wrote: > Given all the garbage frame bugs that lasted until maybe FCP 10.0.7, I > don’t think it’s realistic to support versions of FCP older than that > anyway. But we just discovered that older templates don’t show up as > “4K Ready”, so now we need to create one template for FCP 10.0.9 with > Motion 5.0.x and one template with 4K project settings and 4K Ready > checked for FCP 10.1.x with Motion 5.1.x. I could see this getting > difficult to manage in a few years if we’re still required to create templates. You mean the 106 templates I just did with the default HD template won't work in a 4k project? Paul SMASH! > > On May 9, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Peter Litwinowicz <pete(a)revisionfx.com > <mailto:pete@revisionfx.com>> wrote: > >> What we are mostly talking about is creating previous Motion >> templates for use in previous versions of FCP. >> >> That said, most of our users will ONLY have FCP and not Motion. So >> what to do then? There's no way for them to create templates. We >> are mostly talking about old versions of FCP that can only load older >> Motion template versions… so we want an older version of Motion to >> create templates for those older versions of FCP. >> >> Pete >> >> >> From:Dieter Becker <dieterdavebecker(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:dieterdavebecker@gmail.com>> >> Date:Friday, May 9, 2014 1:14 PM >> To:<pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com >> <mailto:pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>> >> Subject:Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20 >> >> Hi, >> >> if the user/client can’t/won’t update and still has the Motion >> version that you don’t. >> Then just ask him to create the template himself. >> Creating a template is easier than getting email Mail. >> >> I take that the cases where one cannot update for some reason, are few. >> So - perhaps in those cases, take 2 minutes to describe to the user >> how to create the template himself with your plug-in. >> >> My 2 Cents anyway >> >> — Best >> Morten >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com >> <mailto:Pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pete%40revisionf >> x.com >> >> This email sent topete(a)revisionfx.com <mailto:pete@revisionfx.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com >> <mailto:Pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/garrick%40digita >> lanarchy.com >> >> This email sent togarrick(a)digitalanarchy.com >> <mailto:garrick@digitalanarchy.com> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/paul%40fxtech.com > > This email sent to paul(a)fxtech.com > _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/jim%40digitalanarchy.c… This email sent to jim(a)digitalanarchy.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20
by Garrick Meeker 12 May '14

12 May '14

It’s purely cosmetic, I believe, but your plugins won’t show up if the users clicks on “Show 4K Ready Filters Only” or something like that. But of course, the users won’t know what that affects either. On May 12, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Paul Miller <paul(a)fxtech.com> wrote: > On 5/12/2014 11:52 AM, Garrick Meeker wrote: >> Given all the garbage frame bugs that lasted until maybe FCP 10.0.7, I >> don’t think it’s realistic to support versions of FCP older than that >> anyway. But we just discovered that older templates don’t show up as “4K >> Ready”, so now we need to create one template for FCP 10.0.9 with Motion >> 5.0.x and one template with 4K project settings and 4K Ready checked for >> FCP 10.1.x with Motion 5.1.x. I could see this getting difficult to >> manage in a few years if we’re still required to create templates. > > You mean the 106 templates I just did with the default HD template won't work in a 4k project? > > Paul SMASH! > > >> >> On May 9, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Peter Litwinowicz <pete(a)revisionfx.com >> <mailto:pete@revisionfx.com>> wrote: >> >>> What we are mostly talking about is creating previous Motion >>> templates for use in previous versions of FCP. >>> >>> That said, most of our users will ONLY have FCP and not Motion. So >>> what to do then? There's no way for them to create templates. We >>> are mostly talking about old versions of FCP that can only load older >>> Motion template versions… so we want an older version of Motion to >>> create templates for those older versions of FCP. >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >>> From:Dieter Becker <dieterdavebecker(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:dieterdavebecker@gmail.com>> >>> Date:Friday, May 9, 2014 1:14 PM >>> To:<pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>> >>> Subject:Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20 >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> if the user/client can’t/won’t update and still has the Motion version >>> that you don’t. >>> Then just ask him to create the template himself. >>> Creating a template is easier than getting email Mail. >>> >>> I take that the cases where one cannot update for some reason, are few. >>> So - perhaps in those cases, take 2 minutes to describe to the user >>> how to create the template >>> himself with your plug-in. >>> >>> My 2 Cents anyway >>> >>> — Best >>> Morten >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com >>> <mailto:Pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pete%40revisionfx.com >>> >>> This email sent topete(a)revisionfx.com <mailto:pete@revisionfx.com> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com >>> <mailto:Pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/garrick%40digitalanarc… >>> >>> This email sent togarrick(a)digitalanarchy.com >>> <mailto:garrick@digitalanarchy.com> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/paul%40fxtech.com >> >> This email sent to paul(a)fxtech.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/garrick%40digitalanarc… > > This email sent to garrick(a)digitalanarchy.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20
by Paul Miller 12 May '14

12 May '14

On 5/12/2014 11:52 AM, Garrick Meeker wrote: Given all the garbage frame bugs that lasted until maybe FCP 10.0.7, I don’t think it’s realistic to support versions of FCP older than that anyway. But we just discovered that older templates don’t show up as “4K Ready”, so now we need to create one template for FCP 10.0.9 with Motion 5.0.x and one template with 4K project settings and 4K Ready checked for FCP 10.1.x with Motion 5.1.x. I could see this getting difficult to manage in a few years if we’re still required to create templates. Paul SMASH! On May 9, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Peter Litwinowicz <pete(a)revisionfx.com <mailto:pete@revisionfx.com>> wrote: What we are mostly talking about is creating previous Motion templates for use in previous versions of FCP. That said, most of our users will ONLY have FCP and not Motion. So what to do then? There's no way for them to create templates. We are mostly talking about old versions of FCP that can only load older Motion template versions… so we want an older version of Motion to create templates for those older versions of FCP. Pete From:Dieter Becker <dieterdavebecker(a)gmail.com <mailto:dieterdavebecker@gmail.com>> Date:Friday, May 9, 2014 1:14 PM To:<pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>> Subject:Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20 Hi, if the user/client can’t/won’t update and still has the Motion version that you don’t. Then just ask him to create the template himself. Creating a template is easier than getting email Mail. I take that the cases where one cannot update for some reason, are few. So - perhaps in those cases, take 2 minutes to describe to the user how to create the template himself with your plug-in. My 2 Cents anyway — Best Morten _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:Pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pete%40revisionfx.com This email sent topete(a)revisionfx.com <mailto:pete@revisionfx.com> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:Pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/garrick%40digitalanarc… This email sent togarrick(a)digitalanarchy.com <mailto:garrick@digitalanarchy.com> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/paul%40fxtech.com This email sent to paul(a)fxtech.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com You mean the 106 templates I just did with the default HD template won't work in a 4k project?

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Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20
by Paul Miller 12 May '14

12 May '14

On 5/12/2014 12:00 PM, Peter Litwinowicz wrote: Given all the garbage frame bugs that lasted until maybe FCP 10.0.7, Just to be clear here (for the newer developers), these bugs only seemed to show themselves when retrieving OGL Textures from FCP and not CPU RAM images. Pete On May 9, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Peter Litwinowicz <pete(a)revisionfx.com <mailto:pete@revisionfx.com>> wrote: What we are mostly talking about is creating previous Motion templates for use in previous versions of FCP. That said, most of our users will ONLY have FCP and not Motion. So what to do then? There's no way for them to create templates. We are mostly talking about old versions of FCP that can only load older Motion template versions… so we want an older version of Motion to create templates for those older versions of FCP. Pete From:Dieter Becker <dieterdavebecker(a)gmail.com <mailto:dieterdavebecker@gmail.com>> Date:Friday, May 9, 2014 1:14 PM To:<pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>> Subject:Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20 Hi, if the user/client can’t/won’t update and still has the Motion version that you don’t. Then just ask him to create the template himself. Creating a template is easier than getting email Mail. I take that the cases where one cannot update for some reason, are few. So - perhaps in those cases, take 2 minutes to describe to the user how to create the template himself with your plug-in. My 2 Cents anyway — Best Morten _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:Pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pete%40revisionfx.com This email sent topete(a)revisionfx.com <mailto:pete@revisionfx.com> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:Pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/garrick%40digitalanarc… This email sent togarrick(a)digitalanarchy.com <mailto:garrick@digitalanarchy.com> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com <mailto:Pro-apps-dev@lists.apple.com>) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pete%40revisionfx.com This email sent to pete(a)revisionfx.com <mailto:pete@revisionfx.com> _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/paul%40fxtech.com This email sent to paul(a)fxtech.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Yes but the CPU/software mode got horribly slow around the 10.0.5-10.0.6 time-frame, making pure-software effects practically useless from an efficiency point of view. I verified that even a "do nothing" CPU effect had like 300-500ms of overhead.

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Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20
by Peter Litwinowicz 12 May '14

12 May '14

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Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20
by Garrick Meeker 12 May '14

12 May '14

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Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20
by Peter Litwinowicz 09 May '14

09 May '14

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Re: Pro-apps-dev Digest, Vol 11, Issue 20
by Paul Miller 09 May '14

09 May '14

On 5/9/2014 3:14 PM, Dieter Becker wrote: if the user/client can’t/won’t update and still has the Motion version that you don’t. Then just ask him to create the template himself. Creating a template is easier than getting email Mail. I take that the cases where one cannot update for some reason, are few. So - perhaps in those cases, take 2 minutes to describe to the user how to create the template himself with your plug-in. Not a big deal when you have one plugin. _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Try telling a paying customer they need to make templates for 100+ plugins. It's very clear that nobody at Apple ever had to do this. ;-)

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