Re: X Window Manager
Re: X Window Manager
- Subject: Re: X Window Manager
- From: Rich Cook <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:21:12 -0800
Let's be clearer here, maybe, without really knowing much about eXceed.
There are three things to keep distinct.
1) X Window server : the thing that actually draws stuff for you. It
is usually running on the machine on which you are actually sitting.
eXceed is probably such a beast, although I am not familiar with it.
2) X Window clients : the things that want windows to be drawn. E.g.,
xterm, CDE, anything else that might ask the X server to draw a window.
3) X Window managers: these are just xwindow clients! They draw a
special window behind other client windows that hold the widgets for
dragging windows around, closing them, etc., but they are just X
clients. They usually run on the local machine and are started up at
the beginning of your login session. The X server must already be
running for the window manager to do anything, since it is just an X
client like everybody else. When other clients start up, they draw
windows, but the window manager notices they have started up and helps
them by adding decorations.
So IF eXceed is an X Windows server, you should be able to use any
window manager you like with it, as long as it runs on your PC and
knows how to talk the X protocol. :-)
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, no doubt.
On Apr 2, 2004, at 7:01 PM, Marilyn Sander wrote:
Ron,
eXceed IS a window manager. The application running on the Mac is the
client.
Any CDE or OpenLook application on a Sun would be a client. They
display to
your PC, and the eXceed window manager displays their windows for them.
Whatever means you use to connect to your Sun system should work with
your
Mac. Then you just have to set the DISPLAY and start the X-windows
application.
However, if you expect to start just any old Mac application, it would
not work.
It would have to be an X-windows application.
--Marilyn
On Apr 2, 2004, at 6:41 PM, Ron Ripley wrote:
I certainly understand that eXceed is not a client, however I can use
it to connect to a Sun system and run CDE or OpenWindows. I am
mearly trying to accomplish this same task with MacOS and X11. If I
can get a window manager running on the Mac that can be displayed on
a PC running eXceed.
If X11 is properly installed (i am assuming it is), then I must have
something configured incorrectly with eXceed.
eXceed can act as a X server and a client (so to speak), I am fully
aware that it runs on PCs only.
Ron
On 2-Apr-04, at 07:13 PM, Rich Cook wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that window managers themselves are
merely windowless X client applications that perform special tasks
by communicating to the server.
On Apr 2, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Don MacQueen wrote:
Hummingbird exceed is not a client. It's an X windows server. And
it runs on PCs, not Macs.
( http://www.hummingbird.com/products/nc/exceed/index.html?cks=y )
So your question kind of doesn't make sense.
If you have Apple's X11 (properly) installed, then you do have a
window manager; it's called quartz-wm. Is it not doing the job?
-Don
At 9:35 AM -0600 4/2/04, Ron Ripley wrote:
I have a question that hopefully someone on this list could
answer. I've got MacOSX 10.3.3 with X11 1.0 - XFree86 4.3.0
running. I'd like clients (such as hummingbird exceed) to be
presented with a traditional X window manager. I am not sure if
that is possible.
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