Re: X Window Manager
Re: X Window Manager
- Subject: Re: X Window Manager
- From: Steven Langer <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:15:41 -0800
The window manager, just like any other X11 client, can run on a
remote computer. When I run exceed on my PC, I usually run a window
manager on a Linux system. This remote window manager approach is
also used by most x-terminals.
In contrast, workstations (OS X Macs, Linux PCs, etc.) typically run
a window manager on the same computer where the X11 windows are
displayed. In the case of OS X, that window manager is frequently
Apple's quartz-wm.
I think Ron wants to run a window manager on a Mac and have that
window manager control the X11 windows appearing on his Windows PC.
If that is the case, he needs to configure the Mac to run xdm. I
haven't seen any discussion of running xdm on a Mac, but there is no
technical reason why you couldn't do that. XDM is a protocol for
invoking remote X11 window managers. xdm is a program that implements
the XDM protocol and ships with XFree86 on Linux. gdm and kdm also
implement the XDM protocol, but the simplest way to get them is
probably to do a full install of Gnome or KDE, and that sounds like a
lot of work. Ron would also need to install a window manager if the
XFree86 package for the Mac doesn't include any that he likes. The
final step is to configure xdm so that it knows about the available
window managers and how to invoke them. xdm could either be set to
start every time the Mac boots (the typical solution on other Unix
systems) or started by hand via an ssh login.
Ron actually has one more option. Hummingbird supplies a window
manager that can be run on the Windows PC. He might not like the
functionality it offers, but it should be easier to get it running
than to install and configure xdm.
Steve Langer
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Message: 8
Cc: Don MacQueen <email@hidden>, Ron Ripley <email@hidden>, Rich
Cook <email@hidden>, email@hidden
From: Rich Cook <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: X Window Manager
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:21:12 -0800
To: Marilyn Sander <email@hidden>
Let's be clearer here, maybe, without really knowing much about eXceed.
There are three things to keep distinct.
1) X Window server : the thing that actually draws stuff for you. It
is usually running on the machine on which you are actually sitting.
eXceed is probably such a beast, although I am not familiar with it.
2) X Window clients : the things that want windows to be drawn. E.g.,
xterm, CDE, anything else that might ask the X server to draw a window.
3) X Window managers: these are just xwindow clients! They draw a
special window behind other client windows that hold the widgets for
dragging windows around, closing them, etc., but they are just X
clients. They usually run on the local machine and are started up at
the beginning of your login session. The X server must already be
running for the window manager to do anything, since it is just an X
client like everybody else. When other clients start up, they draw
windows, but the window manager notices they have started up and helps
them by adding decorations.
So IF eXceed is an X Windows server, you should be able to use any
window manager you like with it, as long as it runs on your PC and
knows how to talk the X protocol. :-)
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, no doubt.
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