Re: copy and paste between Aqua and X11 applications?
Re: copy and paste between Aqua and X11 applications?
- Subject: Re: copy and paste between Aqua and X11 applications?
- From: Rich Cook <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:19:16 -0700
Some of the problems are that X11 has two types of clipboards, as I
recall. There is the one used for selecting and middle-click pasting
in most applications, pretty universal, and there is another one that
applications can use when you use "Copy" from their Edit menus. So
some applications that use that other menu sometimes behave
unexpectedly, but AFAIK, Apple has solved the issues with that.
On Jul 17, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Vernon Williams wrote:
Tuesday, July 17, 2007, 2:20pm
This whole thing has me curious.
As a programmer, I use X11 only for Nedit, which I consider to be a
really nice programmer's editor that does virtually everything I want
right out of the box, without needing any real customization (except
for a little syntax coloring tweaking).
And for me, copy and paste between Nedit and Aqua apps works
perfectly and has done so since the X11 beta several years ago.
I seem to recall there may have been occasional problems with X11
beta where nothing happened in one direction, but they seemed to
disappear with the first real X11.
That is, I can select some text in Nedit, copy it (Ctrl-C), then
click in
some Aqua app, like TextEdit or Terminal, do paste (Command-V)
into the app perfectly. Or vice versely, I can select some text in
Terminal or TextEdit, copy it (Command-C), click in Nedit, and
paste it perfectly in there (Ctrl-V).
Of course, you can't just select some text (without copying it) in
Nedit
and expect to middle-button paste it into an Aqua app, which would
be nice, but which I would never in a million years expect, being a
very X11 type of thing.
So, precisely what else might someone want this to do?
Or is it an application specific problem, where some X11 apps, like
Nedit, do things right, but others don't?
A lot of the talk here has centered on emacs (and its various
versions).
I have never used emacs in any form (seems very powerful and very
customizable, but for me, Nedit does everything I want, very simply,
without the need for vast customization, and between Nedit, Terminal,
and a bunch of my own UNIX utilities, I can easily do everything I
want).
But I do seem to recall (perhaps from this list) that emacs has
multiple
paste buffers. If so, the problems might reside there, with maybe
Aqua
using the wrong one. Just a thought.
Vernon Williams
On Jul 17, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Rich Cook wrote:
On Jul 17, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Adam D. I. Kramer wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Young Hyun wrote:
Recently, I've switched to using Carbon Emacs for local editing,
and
copy-and-paste works splendidly. This doesn't solve copy-and-paste
problems with remote xemacs or local X apps like Wireshark, but
it's
reduced my frustration level to a more tolerable level. Choosing
alternative non-X-based apps like this seems to be the only real
solution
to this dogged problem. (I've pretty much given up the thought
that Apple
will ever fix this.)
Well, I guess there's small consolation in the fact that I
haven't been
doing anything wrong, but non-X-based apps completely defeats the
purpose
and meaning of having X11 at all.
What is the EXACT thing you're trying to do that does not work?
Give a description of what you do with the mouse and keyboard and
the result that surprises you.
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